The White Knight

Certainly hope so. .......................... at Newcastle. :approve:

Yes - right. Hang tha Sport - go for the MONEY. People drifting away from Speedway in droves, a lot because of credibility problems. So yes let's make money from the Play Offs and s*d the Sport for the rest of the year. Unless, of course, EVERY Team from National, Premier and Elite Leagues gets a cut of the 'Play Off' money. None of this though, invalidates the argument that the Play Off System is UNFAIR and IMMORAL. It does not matter from which angle that you look at it - THAT is a FACT!!!

BOTH are on 7.39 according to an earlier Post on this Thread.

Thank you orion. I will take your word for that - I didn't know about it.

I DO watch them every week ThePinstripe. I am prepared to accept that maybe, in the future Lindgren MAY be a better Rider than Tully. At present he isn't as is proved by the Averages, he is the same. The BIG plus for Newcastle and for Tully is that, as I have said before, Tully is a damned good Team Rider. It may be/is a dying art in Speedway but I still like to watch it. Done well it really adds to the Meeting for me. Tully does it well - and long may he continue to do so.

I wish I could get a 'Babe' instead of a name. :shock:

When, and where?

No but the fact that Andrew Tully is GOOD at it and can do it well, on the same Average as a Rider who doesn't, surely makes him worth that little bit more.

No Premier League Teams I know of have ridden with only THREE of their OWN Riders. That IS uniquely an Elite League problem.

I don't think Niamh is able to answer the questions Ghostwalker.

But at least qualifying is an even playing field. PICKS, GIFTS, SPONSOR'S INFLUENCE, FAVOURITISM, NATIONALITY TO BRING IN PUNTERS AT THE GATE, HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SPORT. :mad: Of course when people like those you mention qualify - you can always get upsets. Once in a while the unexpected happens and someone different wins a GP. To use Football parlance - a Giant Killing Act. This ADDS interest to the Sport and reduces the amount of seeing the same old Riders at EVERY GP EVERY YEAR. :rolleyes:

........................ and for his TEAM RIDING abilities. :rolleyes: (how many times). :rolleyes:

Just because the Elite League is totally b*llsed up - DON'T start dictating to the Premier League when, where and how THEY ride their Speedway. :mad: I suggest you look at putting your Elite League house in order and leave the other Leagues alone. Perhaps, though, the Elite League is beyond help. :rolleyes:

But you still haven't answered the questions Niamh: i) Why have Qualifiers? and ii) How do you decide who are the best in the World?

That says it ALL really.

A VERY good and fair point Ghostwalker.

Now THAT is SPOT ON orion.

Well why the heck have QUALIFYING Rounds Niamh - if you are just going to PICK the 'best in the World'. I really can't understand why you don't seem to get it - we are talking about a SPORT - you know COMPETITION. Ian

I can back up sidney's point by simply saying that, under the old Rule (which I didn't like either) by saying that at least you could NOT pull back SEVEN Points on the opposition in ONE Race. Wrong, Immoral, Unfair, Unsporting and any other adjective you care to truthfully apply. Oh - and before you ask - I too have seen BOTH versions of the Rule in operation. I hated BOTH of them, the current Double Points Rule the most.

Tully is a Team man - Lindgren ISN'T!! End of story as far as I am concerned. Oh - and all of this 'potential' that Lindgren is supposed to have - he hasn't improved that much for Newcastle on last Season - and Newcastle is the Team that I am interested in.

I really wish I could but I have a prior engagement then. :sad:

Great to hear that folk are rallying round Chris. :approve:

Yet MORE people dishing out places in the GP. Bl**dy GREAT isn't it. :mad: I don't know why they don't just do away with QUALIFYING altogether and just stick in the Riders they want. That is the way the SGP seems to be going anyway. :mad:

NO WE DON'T!!! If enough people complain to the 'powers that be' then we, as Customers should have the ability to change things...... or We can walk away - AND A HELL OF A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT!!! Remember - this is Speedway and the top Management of the Sport in general do NOT have a good track record of looking after their Fan Base. Far better to brown nose SKY for CASH and do exactly what they (SKY) ask than consider the loyal Supporters who have supported the Sport for years. They should remember SKY CASH IS TEMPORARY - SUPPORTERS CASH CAN, TO A POINT, BE RELIED UPON. In pandering to SKY - the Sport does itself no favours.

It's NOT just the Points that Andrew Tully scores the fact that he TEAM RIDES other Riders in to scoring Points as well. You certainly could NEVER accuse Lindgren of TEAM RIDING. Lindgren and Tully BOTH have identical averages - but crucially, how many extra Points has Lindgren helped people to score? - NIL I would reckon. Tully quite a lot I would expect. Who therefore is of MORE VALUE to the TEAM - simple - Andrew Tully. I would be gutted if he left and Lindgren stayed.