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Wembley is special,always has always will but its like now Cardiff is the bees knees and nothing else could be considered.Wembley now is different, things are run there on a regular basis they are happy to make a fast buck and if things are researched and looked into why not.By the way Philip hope the milleniums officials do bend over backwards they make anough money out of it do they not.If not Wembley there are other venues as well its like you treat Cardiff as a closed shop there or nowhere else for me Wembley or Cardiff been to both enjoyed both only one winner for me though. Its not a dream world is it, whats so stupid about considering Wembley i agree i would not have a g.p there either. Proper research and planning maybe a one off individual meeting,with a large amount of prize money at the end of it that would work i am sure.Ok you might not get 50,000 and might be half full still be a big event though wouldnt it.

Midland Red anywhere, if i new that the money say 60/40 was going back into British speedway[60per cent speedway] would that be great,

The British open at White City[ Sigalos took Nielsen from the back]? was a one off maybe Wembley could be the same again.Why not i think alot of people who support the GPS havent even seen it from the other side.What they no now, is all they no, that,s why i am a bit surprised with Philip,s attitude.He has vast knowledge and of course i respect his opinion but he is not that flexible.Wembley i believe could be rented i think someone with expertise and capital would do very well.Is there anybody who thinks maybe a one off event individual whatever could not attract 40,000?

Rival it have both,?theres room surely someone like Barry Hearn would make a killing if he came in and used all his vast Knowledge of business.By the way Philip is Cardiff set in stone for ever now i am convinced Wembley could out do Cardiff even though Cardiff is a nice place shopping centre ect]. Cardiff having more going for it than London you are joking?you wouldnt spend the day around the neighbourhood would you.

So ? because of that would theyre be a noise issue? or are you worried about getting wet?.Wembley for me, i am sure could be a option they are looking for every money making scheme going .American football, concerts,the pitch gets relaid every two minutes there ,but are bringing in alot of revenue.Maybe it might not happen for a while well worth looking into?Maybe even rival the G.P with all revenue going back into British speedway everyone a winner not just individuals having all the cake just a thought a?

If agreement could be reached would Wembley get a better crowd than Cardiff? is there only ever NOW going to be 40000 plus crowd.I believe Wembley would get a better crowd for the g.p.

Noing more about the London scene, is there ever any chance of Wimbledon the great plough lane returning Parsloes?Why was Hackney a disaster i went there loads of times[dont be late friday at eight]? never heard the full story of why it struggled financially.In the Silver days the track was good crowd reasonable i always felt the terracing seemed a bit lower and you had to look up to watch the speedway always had a good night out though.Off track a bit my son works in Bristol and hes heard off the grapevine that Bristol have had the go ahead the support of Speedway is good and that could be viable .Wimbledon,Halifax,and Bristol to comeback be great not a reality i presume.

Great post, i went there first time in 1977, got there the track amazing, great shape everything i went in the stands fourth bend. It was electric and later on in years when i come back for meetings i always went on the fourth bend.A great track but for me a great day out.

Me being an old fella ?living in the past what are peoples memories of this great meeting?Never saw the mighty Briggo win any of his six.My first b.l.r.c was in 77 great meeting Olsen awesome beat Mauger from the back then defeated Collins[not fit].Some of the footage on you tube really worth a watch.Went to one of Carters wins and 1983,a rainfest supported Lee he got filled in in his first race comeback and got on the rostrum.Later on in the 80s see Nielsen win and Morton also.Loved Hyde rd was a pleasure to go there and it says something when Jason Crump said it was a big regret of his not ever riding there.My biggest memory there though was the Mauger celebration meeting 6 in a race what a site Nielsen was exciting changed my mind about him being just a trapper.Hyde Rd was a great place have you others got good memories or bad ones of the legendary Hyde rd.

Fir Play Chunky i get the drift.

My top ten of all time 1,Briggs,2.Mauger 3.Olsen 4.Fundin 5.Rickardsson 6. Craven 7.Moore 8.Gundersen 9.Nielsen 10.Penhall[ should of been higher] J .Crump could get higher before retirement Lee ,Collins ,Williams,Michanek all in the next group .

Long as your happy with that ,thats fine we come to a agreement Nielsen has the word Greatness next to his name.

Success is different to what you said a Great?been here before with Talent and natural? Back to the proper subject i am backing Jason to get a fourth title in 2012.

No worries at all,did go off the subject a wee bit sorry.

why do you have to be so rude?unreal.

If you want to be critical, and as a outsider looking in up until 1986[very lucky indeed Knudsen incident] you wouldnt class him on the verge then would you.A bridesmaid beaten by his great foe Gundersen in 84,85.Come 1986 he hadnt won anything up to that point its after the win in 86 that he shows his greatness.Do you grasp that impartial one up until 86 he wouldnt of been a great until then surely.After the 86 win[lucky]he had got over the mental barrier and went on to achieve resolve and greatness after that.

Dave wondered if you could help me,how good is Damien Koppe? ive followed his career remember his dad[a very good rider]wondered whether a move to a big track like Sheffield would suit him.I think he would average at least 6 in the p.l. what do you Know and what do you think?

1983 Muller in his last ride had done anough by then anyway, after that yes he did go on to greatness,fair play to him.A glittering career and had longevity with it.When all said and done his career panned out right for him after 1980,81,82,83,looking like he was going to fall short.He showed resolve and thats what i admire him most for impartial one.The point Chunky made do you rate someone on there roll of honour record or do you rate them on what you saw and ability wise a personnel observation i think.

I did class him as a great read the post properly how you can say he was on the verge of greatness by 1983 he hadnt won anything had he then?Great rider i myself see lots of him admire him greatly.Because Collins and Lee only won one title each to me they were his equal.Also Penhall and Gundersen [who had his number] i rated higher. Not bad he,s still in the top 10, examples in other sports Mcenroe i rated higher than Lendl lendl won more osullivan i rated higher than Hendry Hendry won more I dont always go by trophies and medals just my personnel outlook.Impartial one he is still a all time great just a few others in front of him thats all.

You have cracked me up Iris a few old guys hope you dont include me in that?by the way have the Beatles split up no the gps are hear to stay.But the memories are still there from the one off finals sad i know.

Out of the riders i named Steve ,Briggs,Lee,Olsen were the only riders i would say were in my favourites .Crump is also there out of the g.p brigade,.Collins and Lee only won a title apiece but they would be on the same level as Nielsen and Gundersen again how you see things on a personel level.Do you go on achievements [ie] titles? i dont myself maybe you do if so can see why you would rate Nielsen so highly.

Mauger,Briggs,Fundin,Rickardsson, most people i would imagine would say they would be up there.Thats not if,s chunky? the rest for me is peoples own opinion would i put Nielsen in front of Craven Olsen a couple of examples no i wouldnt,Thats me though also you made me laugh, when you said i would just put Ole in front of Erik.You never give me an answer about Erik in my memory Erik got the better of Nielsen on numerous occasions made Nielsen make mistakes [ie]Kelly nicked through and cost him the title.At there best i always felt Erik would beat him exspecially in pressurised positions,there head to head was close , Erik won more if i hazard a guess.F.Williams Collins,Lee,Penhall,Gundersen,j.Crump . Nielsen would be in that group with them.Chunky as i said all about your personal preference.

Chunky a good response, and your opinion with stats carry good weight, a few points really Nielsen does go down in the pool of greatest riders of all time . .But for me he would only be in the 2nd tier of great riders they cant all be in the top 6 can they.Also you said Lee was on the downward slope, by that time 3rd at norden [nielsen lower i no he had a ef but still lower] and he was third in the B.L.R.C after a duck egg in his first race got filled in.So come 84 no one thought the ban was coming for Lee and as you no that destroyed him and then he was finished.The reason Nielsen would not be in my top six of all time is for me he never proved to me he was better than all of his age group, Generation[ie] Penhall,Lee, and his big foe who in my mind had his number Erik Gundersen .Give him the benefit of the doubt with the Knudsen incident he was still very fortunate to get away with it.So Ole got three titles, Hans four very close but even in your opinion Ole would be up there.

Great post' well explained unlike me; Does that show you after what you have just said,to win a one off final was a achievement because everyone was on the same playing field at that time.Gates didnt mean you couldnt win a final just meant it was harder to do from the back.Where now gates are very important ie] in the semi,s and Final.

II think you summed things up spot on , i went in 83, and was confident Lee could win it was flying at Halifax the week before murdered Carter in the helmet.But on the day Muller was awesome did feel Sanders should of been tougher when he gated him but we all no Muller was a top class alround motorcyclist.But Lee did cram alot in his career in a short space of time 75to 83 six finals third twice fourth once and a winner a pretty good record i suppose.And to think he was really only 25 when his top class career was finished in 83.Nielsen since he has retired if you study his record he did have a terrific career, the impressive thing the longevity of it.