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Has the new stadium been build yet ?

When did I say only old fogies go to speedway ...show me the post ?

Yet again it's easy to gage as other sports have play offs and have worked ....so they have no problem with being credible so why would speedway fans ? ...so yet another only in speedway myth . as you say everyone can opinion but if your going to have one at least come up with logic or common sense on why crowds would be bigger when there would be nothing to race for most of the time , Yet again being creditable and promoters putting fans first has nothing to do with subject matter the play offs first of all no other sports has no problems with the play offs and being creditable , Also most of the fans bar a % of over 55 love the plays offs so in that respect the promoters are putting the fans first .

? and how do think speedway clubs will run without money ....so play offs and how they keep the season alive and make have plenty to do with logic ..as for the fans most in all sports want and love the play offs and it only tends to be the over 55's who don't like them .

Correct that is why the plays offs are even more important in Speedway .

No it's not ..it's been explain about a 100 times ..fans won't go meaning clubs lose money ...hence why we don't have the craven shield and jack young play off cup . so it's not a outstandingly easy answer . I would really like some these people to run a club ..all these idea's put forward with zero understanding of the money side of sport .

? all teams enter under the same rules are aware of those rules before the start ....nothing unfair or unsporting about it at all .

Do you if think if we have no plays offs the crowds be would bigger with nothing ride for the rest of the season for most sides ? unless you can other with some logic why the crowds would be bigger then it is quite right to value the play offs , As I said take Swindon season last year do you really think they would signed ward and then get the crowds they did ? of course not

it no wonder when your posting under two names ....at least try to write in another style ,then we might not guess that you and Colin Mills were the same person .

So if Plays offs have done that how comes in the other sports they don't walk away I agree Speedway has lost it's credibility but there is no link with the plays offs as shown by other sports that used them and are doing just fine ... it's nothing to about trying to convince you the fact is you can't come up any valid points that backs up your standpoint ..the one on here as I have shown is easy to brush a side .

Lakeside get better crowds overall that boro and scunny two of best tracks in the uk in fact both have been danger of closing down in the last couple of years so it's show that the racing it not that important . The Plays offs are a lot more than a couple of big gates at the end of season for example Swindon signed Ward last year because they still had a chance of making the play offs and the crowd went up by 20 % . As I ask before why would the crowds go up because there were no play offs ..I ask you about 3 times now and for some reason you can't come with an answer . And ? without the play offs no one would get any money so what is better ...that what happens in sport and in life if you do well you get the rewards ..

Yet again why would a live sky match have a bigger crowd if there were no play offs ? also why would there be bring bigger crowds to the bread and butter matches ...you keep saying this but don't come up with any answer to why it would .

As already explained you have champions league spots . , relegation and the higher you finish means you can million of extra pounds ...something that Speedway does not the luxury of . so yet another easy question to answer

Of course I know you would still go Sid because you love your speedway and you not to worried about the result ...sadly not everyone is like you . When did anyone say that the Play offs were the saviour of the sport ? I look at the whole topic and I have not seen one person say that or suggest that .

I Have answered your question nothing has to change with the subject we are talking about the play offs ...unless you can up with some logic on why the crowrds would be bigger without them .as I said before fans don't want consolation finals they have been done before and they don't work .

It not what you said ..you that the Lakeside crowd was poor because of the plays offs ...so I ask again why without the plays offs would that match have had a higher crowd ....if think crowds are poor because of the play offs you have to come up with logic to back it or why they would be higher without them .

And why would that meeting have more fans if there were no play offs ?

Were they ? Edinburgh and Glasgow and Poole and Belle Vue finals were packed . not sure why you would change meetings that give the only big crowds you are likely to get in a season .

Already told the fans won't go ..why do think the pl don't have a play off cup anymore ?

Of course it is .but has been explain Speedway needs something to keep the season going and make sure that fans keeps going ...Football has promotion and relegation , Champions league spots plays off that can get you up a division plenty to keep the fans going

The big thing difference is that in Football play offs there is a massive carrot for winning them hence why fans watch them ...having a play off cup that does not have the league title on line means nothing to the fans and hence why no one would watch it ...that is why we don't have the craven shield Jack Young play off cup any more as they have been tried and never worked ..

If play offs were a promblem in speedway then why are they not a promblem in others sports . Yet another only in speedway myth .

Not really Sid ...like many others I am going go if it's looks like a decent meeting or we have a chance of making the play offs if that means going to six home matches then so be it .....

How many do you think they have in Sweden and Poland .......you could have five home meetings a year but unless there was something worthwhile to ride for the modern fan won't go

? of course I want to know ....as I said if they were so good and made loads of money why do you think they don't have them anymore . the reason was overall hardly anyone turn up, I think Swindon had one of there lowest crowds ever and clubs lost shed loads of money ...it's not hard to figure out