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Whoosh ..do keep up .

I think it's common sense that more people are going go to matches that mean something than not ....you really don't need any stats to back that up ..you have to be very naïve to think otherwise Going on how speedway was and how fans used to act 20 years ago has no bearing on how the modern person or fan acts .

Yet again it was explain before who don't have to make the play offs for them to help you ....they help you in terms of crowds numbers if have a chance of still making them rather that the season being over by may .. as for the same teams and bigger clubs making them every year Belle Vue are a massive clubs and have not made the play offs for years intill this season ...Wolves another massive club were bottom ...there is no need for any of the current teams not to have a chance of making the top 4 . Not sure understand about savy fans ...you reckon that they were all turn up if matches meant nothing

? all sports tend to reward the teams that do well that is the whole point of doing well . a lot of people have a school of thought that speedway has been back by trying to help the weakest all the time ....in speedway due to the points limit there hardly a team sport that tries to even things out ...Poole were not always a big club Ford as well as cheating worked hard to put them where they are today and nows he gets the rewards , others can do the same if the wish no reason why Wolves should be bottom etc .

Yet another silly post as has already been explain many times and quite clearly the Pl does not need to have a play offs as it its has plenty of money and there are plenty of reasons to have matches that matter ....champions league spots teams can go down a division and massive pay jumps on where you come in the league ..unlike speedway who have none of these .if Speedway had all that they there would be no need plays offs sadly that is not the case . Yet again you are incorrect about where it matters where you finish in the league as where finish help pick who you race ..so another wrong fact ..of course you don't give toss about what other sports used play offs because it shows that no other sport have a problem with play offs and they work ..so as I said it must be another only in uk speedway myth ...As for you have seen no sign of crowds going up when trying to get 4th place you must miss out of the crowds Belle Vue and Swindon were getting last year when going for them ...maybe you had your eyes shut ....

incorrect as has been pointed out there plenty of matches outside the playoffs that are worthwhile going to ..the whole system makes more worthwhile matches ....Why would a so called savy fan not go to a match that was important under the play offs rules but then go to the same match that has nothing riding on it once the play offs have been removed ? As has already been pointed out as well in all the other sports including speedway in Poland and Sweden hardly anyone has a problem with the play off system and it being credible so why would it be a problem in the uk ..yet again another only in uk speedway myth

Anyone seen a black kettle and a Pot .....what the name of that bit hit by Alanis Morissette ..

As Rosco said to me having Ward in the side and making play offs with the extra tv money more than paid for ward wages ..so the answer to your question the plays offs have helped Swindon get bigger crowds overall last season . the matches you spoke about even if the crowds were quite low would have been even lower without Ward and the play offs .

Sorry who won the craven shield this year ? what about the jack young shield in the pl ? Whoosh ..without the plays offs Swindon would not have sign him in the first place ...rosco said that himself

You never saw the gates get better when Ward joined Swindon to help them get into the playoffs last year ? by all accounts they went up about 17 % ...how more of a recent example do you want ?

The play offs have not be proved to be broken thou ..the nl is a bad example as the riders ride for peanuts and the crowd is likely to stay the same

Why are you trying to win the debate ..I thought it about opinions.... no one is right and no one is wrong

I thought it was about opinions . why the change of heart

Has the new stadium been build yet ?

When did I say only old fogies go to speedway ...show me the post ?

Yet again it's easy to gage as other sports have play offs and have worked ....so they have no problem with being credible so why would speedway fans ? ...so yet another only in speedway myth . as you say everyone can opinion but if your going to have one at least come up with logic or common sense on why crowds would be bigger when there would be nothing to race for most of the time , Yet again being creditable and promoters putting fans first has nothing to do with subject matter the play offs first of all no other sports has no problems with the play offs and being creditable , Also most of the fans bar a % of over 55 love the plays offs so in that respect the promoters are putting the fans first .

? and how do think speedway clubs will run without money ....so play offs and how they keep the season alive and make have plenty to do with logic ..as for the fans most in all sports want and love the play offs and it only tends to be the over 55's who don't like them .

Correct that is why the plays offs are even more important in Speedway .

No it's not ..it's been explain about a 100 times ..fans won't go meaning clubs lose money ...hence why we don't have the craven shield and jack young play off cup . so it's not a outstandingly easy answer . I would really like some these people to run a club ..all these idea's put forward with zero understanding of the money side of sport .

? all teams enter under the same rules are aware of those rules before the start ....nothing unfair or unsporting about it at all .

Do you if think if we have no plays offs the crowds be would bigger with nothing ride for the rest of the season for most sides ? unless you can other with some logic why the crowds would be bigger then it is quite right to value the play offs , As I said take Swindon season last year do you really think they would signed ward and then get the crowds they did ? of course not

it no wonder when your posting under two names ....at least try to write in another style ,then we might not guess that you and Colin Mills were the same person .

So if Plays offs have done that how comes in the other sports they don't walk away I agree Speedway has lost it's credibility but there is no link with the plays offs as shown by other sports that used them and are doing just fine ... it's nothing to about trying to convince you the fact is you can't come up any valid points that backs up your standpoint ..the one on here as I have shown is easy to brush a side .

Lakeside get better crowds overall that boro and scunny two of best tracks in the uk in fact both have been danger of closing down in the last couple of years so it's show that the racing it not that important . The Plays offs are a lot more than a couple of big gates at the end of season for example Swindon signed Ward last year because they still had a chance of making the play offs and the crowd went up by 20 % . As I ask before why would the crowds go up because there were no play offs ..I ask you about 3 times now and for some reason you can't come with an answer . And ? without the play offs no one would get any money so what is better ...that what happens in sport and in life if you do well you get the rewards ..

Yet again why would a live sky match have a bigger crowd if there were no play offs ? also why would there be bring bigger crowds to the bread and butter matches ...you keep saying this but don't come up with any answer to why it would .