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But you went when tac subs changed far more results than double points ...you comments have nothing to with unfairness

Maybe they never had the internet back then . in the old days nothing was unfair

Poole and Belle Vue top two ...no doubt there make changes but Cov to finish bottom by a long way ...shocking side

I think that's a whoosh

As I said you have had about 100 used names and still no moderation .

So Muller must crap then if you judge people on there first season ...why the change of heart I thought you said he was good

Well there bound to be when you have multi user names like you

Why say anything ..just go no one cares ..

I am aggressive ? you need to read your own posts ..are explain again very slowly ...I said both systems had flaws ..so there was need for you to go off on a big rant ...the bottom line is you read the post wrong and went into everything was great in the old days mode without even thinking . Explain to me how the old system and how they got get there was not a joke ...nearly all the best riders were in one side of the draw and the worst riders were in the other meaning each year you zero chance of having the best riders in the final as well as leaving at least 6 no hopers in the final ...if you think that is fair then your are clueless . Yet again talking about the pole I yet again explained he was good in Poland but doubt he would have got to the final under a fair and even draw. the fact he beat Mauger 7 -6 means nowt as I expect most of those races were in Poland ( correct me if I am wrong about that) .Also ivan comment about being him a deserved champion on the day has nothing to do with the point I was making so yet again you got the wrong end of the stick .. . As for Saying Muller would have grace any world final well after he won it on his home longtrack track he only scored 3 points in each of the next two so hardly graced them did he ?

Yawn

First all I never said the new system was fair and the old system was not ..so you just had a big rant without reading what I said . I understand that both had benefits and Flaws sadly when the ones of old system are pointed people like you go into deny mode The bottom line is that out of the 16 due to the way the draw was done what was clearly silly and unfair at least 6 riders should have not been there and even riders who went on to win would not have made it in the first place ..your Mate Szczakiel was good in Poland etc but from open draw there was no way he would got into the final .looking back I was maybe a bit harsh on Muller but reading about his final by all accounts he was allowed to practice on the track for weeks before hand and the track was set up like a long track so clearly he had a massive and unfair advantage over the others .

OK ..tell me what his record was in the uk and his final record was bar that win seeing you know so much ? your find it hard to find a speedway fan who would have thought that Muller would have got to a World Final had had into the same stages as the brits the yanks the danes the swedes etc ....

I fyou if you knew about speedway then would understand that Muller would not have made the final if he had gone in with the best riders in say the overseas final etc ...the fact that Won in Norden does not change that ..Muller was never a class act when he rode in the uk .

Because unfair rules allowed them to .

Of course they were flukes as if Egon and Jerzy would have never had made the final in the first place ..if Egon and Jerzy would say rode in the overseas finals rather that the weak route that allowed poor riders to get into the final they would gone out . Having a system that never allowed all the best riders to get into the final was not only unfair but stupid .

That is a good thing the less chance of a fluke winner the better ..as I said if the old system rules had of been fair rather being stupid then the underdogs would not have made the final in the first place .

Very True Sid ..my point is thou the old rules meant that not having a open and fair draw meant people who won would not have made it in the first place meaing these outsiders would have never have been the final in the first place ....there was just as much unfairness about the old system as there is with gp's .

All i done of this subject is make a point about the old gp system being unfair ...the only one who has mouth off and made insults is you as you can't control your child like temper . Any how back to the subject matter .

Why not just stick to the subject matter for a change rather than act like a child ? the bottom line is no matter what age you are the old system was unfair

So were many winners of the one off world finals a lot of the winners would never had made it if the system to get there if the system had been fair ...noting fair about having half field in the final who would never had got there . It's amazing how old fans someone reckon that the gp system is unfair but say nowt about the old system that was a joke .

Answer what question ? proved me wrong about what .....why don't you explain what i will be proved wrong about ...i made my points back them up with facts that we can all see . If i asked Dak if never went home last year he would agree with me if i ask him if he riding in the uk this year he would also agree with me ...so what is he going to proved me wrong about ?

? I ask you 5 times what would I be proved wrong about ...out of these two things ...North stay in the uk last year after his dads accident and two he came back this year ....why don't you answer the question... the only one is trying to worn there way out of it as you as we can you can't answer a simple question .

Ask him what ? as I said to you my point it that never home last year that is true and that he has come back this year ..as I said explain what part ot that is not true and what part if I saw North would changed that ...I don't expect a answer as your not bright enough to give us one .

Why would seeing North prove anyone wrong ? the facts are that he never went home last year and he has come back this year ..what do expect him to tell us that will change those facts...explain that to us rather than being childish ?

The facts are that Ford said he was staying at home look after his dad the fact is that he had sign for Swindon ...what part of that is not true ? and what part of that is wrong ....unless can tell otherwise then there no need to ask anyone .