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Yet again you miss the point ...it's ok saying we are good enough when we getting beat by the danes etc but not when it's the USA ..you don't need to be a Derby horse to beat them as they are donkeys on brighton beach ..the bottom line we miles ahead of the usa and Latvia and plenty good enough to beat them the fact we never means the tm must take a lot of the blame .

4 man teams one reserve who can take a max of two rides, no tac subs and the joker can only be used after 8 points rather than six

Why because last to the USA and latvia ...keep saying the riders are good enough is ok when you are getting beats by the danes and Poles etc but not when you finish bottom to this lot ..The bottom line is we are better that USA and latvia but got beat by them so the manager has to take a lot of the blame .that team rode well under par last night mixed in some crap tactics .

Not get beat by USA.

Well the tac sub should have been used in heat 3 I thought everyone knew that the reason being that we might not have had the chance again and it was are best rider without hancock in gate 1 .

Of course it is ...was there any supporter out there tonight that thought we would come last tonight and get beat by the usa ? of course not, but then you come along and start talking about the result being the same no matter what we did and we got beat because of lack of depth etc ...even thou the teams we got beat by are much worst off than us on that score .

Do you really need someone tell you why the USA are weak ? we did not just got beat we came 4th to third world nations in speedway ...no point going on about lack of depth and engine tuners etc etc as the teams that beat us are worst off on all fronts to us .Middlo also made complete mess of the tac ride as well everyone bar you saw that as well as getting the team wrong both times .

I guess most people would want to beat the usa and the lats are you telling us they have strength in depth and there teams on paper were better than us tonight ?

What get beat by the USA ? he picked the wrong team and made a complete mess up of the tactics ...the others teams were weak tonight and a final place what up for grabs but not only have we not won we have come last to third world nations ...Middlo was total crap as normal

Good post ..you forgot Czech riders thou

Yea lack of English football players are Killing the English national team I can remember when nearly every 1-11 was English players in the 70's and we never made it to one world cup in that time ...We have the same debate about speedway time and time again and I always give the same answer if your good enough you will get a chance, no one in UK is being stopped by anyone . Where speedway in the uk is going wrong is not getting people into the system in the first place .get that right and the rest will come .

Have to side with Cook on this ...what a joke to pick him then after one match then dump him, is that how long you give someone ? it's no eeee wonder he's hurt and said what he said I think we should cut him some slack . Middlo is a joke of TM look at Kennett last night, we all agree that he was the wrong choice but if going to pick him why dump him after one ride ? As for Bridger great to see he's got his best bikes elsewhere rather than the uk

??? hindsight .everyone said he should before the match

No they said Neil picked the wrong the side the same as you have ....that's hard to do if we have not strength in depth as you say

Sorry what has that got to do with not picking the best side ?

Why is Kennett a disgrace ?the bottom line that is as good as he is ..I doubt if anyone on here was shocked by his score he's just up to this level ..the disgrace is Middlo for picking him

And as I said when in the old days when you could bring in a world champion for a reserve as a tac sub that was great and the new fans found it really fair and came back each week .

As have been pointed out all sports have silly and complex rules .Most don't come back because they find speedway boring or don't take to it , to say it's because of the tac is rule is laughable ..no doubt in the old days these new people found the old rule fair and great lol

Same happen to me at a cricket match ,saw two new people there deep into the second innings when it started to rain . the first team had score 150 and the second team were 80 -4 at the time the game was call off with the team who batted first declared the winners. The newbies asked me why that was and I told it was because of the duckworth lewis method ,they then ask how could this be fair because the second team had not had the same amount of overs as the first and it was stupid and were never coming again .

What ? it is fact that the rule changed because of the cost ..why on every topic do you start name calling rather than sticking to the debate ?

Well of course he would because a win will earn him more points than second and so on the black hat changes nothing pay wise .

True but if the old rule was still in force you would be paying them even more

The rule was change because teams like Ipswich were having to paid the Likes of Scott Nicholls extra money for the extra points and rides ..all to do with cost .

Not at all . you said everyone knows that betting on individual scores are mugs bets . As I said who are these people ? bar you I can't think of anyone who reckons they are . i admit it was a bit strange if they did not put match odds up but i guess they had there reasons .

On looking at Kennett form this week I have to say you can't have in the side ..my view was that even thou he was not that good there were not that many people better than him ...but looking at his form I now find it hard to find anyone worst than him at the moment ,,bad times for Swindon