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As I explained many time once the uk become not the first choice of the riders the whole game changed ..so things like second halfs ,Golden Helmet ,solo events etc etc were never going to work again ..just saying bring them back because they worked in the 70's is naïve and stupid ..it's bit like saying put more phone boxes on the street because they used to take a lot of money years ago . You and the likes of Moxey do yourself no favours buy keep crabbing other sports that are doing really well just because you don't like them ..I said before you have a breed of speedway fan aged between 55 to 70 a lot who only turn up on these topics who only aim is to bring back rules when they used to go

Most of the matches are poor as a rule and it's not just the racing it's the whole event that Speedway fails on ..overall speedway is poor in all area's

in fairness I miss the non league match at the start of the season ..there is no such thing as 11 from 5 it's 8.62 as your guessing what he would have scored if had ridden in each heat 15 rather than just the one . I Rather go over a longer period than 3 matches and if you take say his last 6 it's lot worst than 8.62 .

It's easy really .things that worked 30 years ago won't work now .sadly people like you can't get your head around that hence why you want things like war chants etc to come back .so i dont deride the past at all but understand it's now 2018 not 1975 .

Well you say that about any sport .the fact is sponsors want to back it and tv stations want to screen because its good .no one wants to do that with speedway because its not .it's not hard to follow

How do you work that out ? He scored 27 from his last 16 rides over the last two seasons .that is less than 8 also Doyle never rode in all thous meetings .as a rule cook never been all that good round the Abbey.

Well done to Belle vue by far the better team .You have to wonder why they have found it so hard this season as they are a decent team and if they can the make the play offs they have a great chance of winning them .Great to see Bewley ride so well .he started off slow but once he got to grips with the track he flew and was mustard in heat 15 .Swindon were poor and lack any fight for the job in hand .Why do we carry on with Jack Smith ? ok there is not much out there to replace him but he is unlikely to beat another rider so what's the point .

Bet he was cut up about that

Ok cost me 64 quid for four of us to go last week ? Why

Lol ..no speedway needs to stay the same..we don't need any of the fans that 20 _20 get packing the staduim out .got to keep these sort of people out .

Why is cricket a snore fest .because you think so ? 20 -20 is one of the most exciting sports there is and as well as people enjoying a drink there are hugh a.amount fans who are families having a day or night out .one of the worst thing about this topics is clueless idiots trying to make other excuses why other sports are doing well just because they dont like or dont understand them .if you asked any sports fan worth there salt if 20 -20 was a snooze fest they would laugh you out of town .

Always the victims

One of the better to happen to speedway then ..nothing worse for the sport than some saps doing a war cry

Not really. A team that has say a Doyle or a Lambert and you then replaced them with a junior the crowd is going to go down by 150 to 300 and that will cripple clubs .it's same the old story people putting up ideas but with no thinking about the money side .it's the same with take away the play offs and why don't we a play off cup !. Yet again your plan is thinking that the fans don't care who they watch .people have left because the standard of rider has dropped

That is nearly the same as the rules now

Yet again we had years of people saying this but not one person has come up with a better or workable idea ..look at you replace no1 's with juniors etc ..

As I said we had guests years ago when speedway was packed ..no one cared ....nothing ridiculous about comparing a sport that has stupid rules but still has billions of fans and is packed with money ..you never know one day football might host a world cup where is to hot to stage it in the middle of the normal football season ..oh hang on

A lot Football players teams are full of Loans players no one has a problem with that ..Football has a cup called the champions league that has teams without champions in it but is one most watched comp in the world ...anyone can pulled apart a sport with stupid rules they all have them

Credibility is over egged in speedway .in the old days will still had guests and rr and we had a world speedway final that make sure that it never top 16 in the world in it but still 70 k of fans came and watched .

So not a top of the table clash then

Fans said they wanted less guests etc so chapman brought in fixed race nights to help ...the result was fans moaning about the race night . ...You can't replace main riders with juniors as it effects the crowd levels . I hate to say it but there are no easy answers ..even when you give the fans what they want they still moan

No one said it would be the saviour of the sport ...the decline has nothing to with having play offs ,trying to connect the two with no evindence and them working in every other sport shows how wrong that is . As I said the decline is really easy to work out it's because Poland and Sweden become bigger than the uk and we were no could longer dictate to riders and have every race night etc etc it's been downhill ever since ...the last bit about speedway beyond rescue is 100 % correct I don't think anything can save it now .

What you don't understand is that the pl has champions league spots and teams can go down as well as Europa league spots and massive prize money for each place .so plenty for teams to play for and fans to watch .so no need for play offs as every game has something riding on it plus the crowds are massive as they have sold so many seasons tickets before the start of the season ..now you tell me what speedway got to race for with no play offs ? Nothing bar the league title that could be over before you know it.

Nearly all sports have play offs not just football .

The best idea ive seen ...I can see it now Leics v Wolves the winner winning the bottom of the table ko cup ..should pack them in .maybe they could have in on pay for view ?