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Surely no new tenant is going to sign up to a lease at 4 grand a week for 25 years ? If not the council is going to have to write off most of the 8 million it spent to provide a limited company with a speedway stadium in Manchester.. Great for Belle Vue speedway , not great for the taxpayers of Manchester

This is precisely why speedway in this country is stuffed. You have arguably the best track in World speedway but fans wont turn out in numbers unless your winning. Never figured this out, no team can be successful every year, that's one of the successes of the points system but fans only want to watch a winning team. 2008 at Wolves was one of the best seasons ever for racing at Monmore, 8 last heat deciders if I remember,the racing was ten times better than this season when we won the league.Give me great racing every week over watching successful teams with no passing. Maybe its me !

You paid £50 for a 10 pence brick which probably cost 5 quid to engrave and mount. The promoters pocketed the other 45 quid

If the Belle Vue promoters were not paying any rent and owe the riders a significant amount of money then what exactly were they doing with the money paid by supporters , sponsors and many who forked out 50 quid to buy a brick in the stadium.

So much uncertainty about Belle Vue that they have been awarded the Elite League Riders Championship in October.

ALL this would give is teams building top heavy. Why should a team manager have the option of putting his 2 star riders in heats 13, 14 and 15 if trailing by 10 points. Ive seen it done many times 3 five ones in a row to win the match by 2 "ITS DAYLIGHT ROBBERY" just as unfair as double points in my opinion .I'm all for tac subs replacing double points but mot in the form it was.

Isn't there a permanent hospitality area now where the 3rd / 4th bend used to be ?

Don't think so

The iconic Belle Vue Aces bankrupt,without a promoter and the future of the National Speedway stadium up in the air and its described as " Small Fry " by a leading speedway journalist. Seem to remember even after the opening night shambles you were the loudest defender of everything the promotion did.

Took no pleasure at the time in laying out how absurd the business plan for this stadium was only to be shot down by the Belle Vue mafia and negated by Phil Rising saying his friends Gordon and Morton were backed by a consortium of business titans. If it is the case that no rent has been paid on this stadium since its inception then where has all the money gone? surely there are questions to answer, simply insolvency and retirement by the CEO isn't just sufficient !

I think BSI should take the GP to Mexico. 130,000 fans have turned up today ( 300,000 over the weekend ) to watch nothing more than a procession in the formula 1. If they will watch that rubbish they will watch anything

Sad loss, great commentator , love listening to his commentaries of World Finals in the 70's

Greg's altercation with Nicki was on a par with Craig Boyce thumping Tomasz Gollob, . At the time most thought Gollob like Nicki got what was coming to him

Unfortunately this GP venue is showing the traits of many others before it on temporary tracks in big stadiums. Encouraging to start with attendance wise which gradually diminishes year on year eventually becoming extinct, read Parken and Stockholm. As Phil Rising says speedway is a minority sport with the only 2 serious markets being in Poland and Great Britain.There are numerous reasons why Cardiff and Warsaw shouldn't work but they do due the loyalty and enthusiasm of the fans in both countries

Would have thought having over 40,000 bike fans stopping in the Melbourne area would be an advantage to the GP in terms of sales. Provisional date for next year at Phillip Island is 22nd October.

Got the feeling this thread would not have been started if anyone other than Tai Woffinden had finished 2nd

There are also plenty of people who used to go to speedway who fully know it exists but choose not to go. The first task must be to get them back

SGP box set 2010. The best year of Speedway GP in my opinion with a Tomasz Gollob win to boot

The Australian Open tennis and F1 GP are also well attended in Melbourne and over 92,000 to see Liverpool play a pre season friendly.

Wolves regular crowd is no where near what it used to be 5-6 years ago

Can't have been an easy conversation telling the guy he lacked ambition.

You've spent the last 3 years slagging him off !

Too many fixtures Too much travelling Not enough money

If both of your experiences were "both thoroughly enjoyable " what are the issues ?

It could be bad luck for Matej as Phil Rising has said, BSI are quite happy to have him just as wildcard in Slovenia. Something wrong when it comes down to your nationality and not your ability. Why we are at it why is Denmark considered a big key nation demanding 3 permanent riders. Interest in speedway has gone from holding 2 GP's , 1 being at the national stadium, to 1 GP in a Championship style football ground in front of 12,500,hardly a hotbed .