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lol are you sure? lol

Listen to Philip, he appears to know all the rules and have the only opinion that matters! (Along with the Ref!) The Start ends when the Ref decides it does! All 4 back if he fancies it! The start is an undeterminate amount of distance from the start to whenever?????????? lol Note the commentators and pundits who all said Holder was lucky to be allowed back in! Suprising how people do not sit on the fence when their natural reactions come out! until after the event when people to the politically correct line! Perhaps S Star would get more readers if they had more realistic & controversial views and opinions printed! Not Rose tinted Specs! Any mention of the unacceptable aggresion shown to Nikki by the Holder crew in next weeks S STAR? By the let off by the Referee siting on the fence? By the shock of MOST pundits when all 4 called back! It would be far more plausible if everybody concerned admited Chris was lucky to be back in! Instead of pleading innocence!

Philip The Start only includes the first corner if the Ref decides it does! Its at his descretion! (No rule to say when the start ends!) The scuffle! Well we all play the gamesmanship part of life! (Nikki) We do not all play the near assault by the Holder crew! (Condone that at your peril) watch it again, it was appalling and then Chris had to get involved!

Great career good luck & well done! New career as Chris Holders bodyguard, mentor, tactician, manager?

Sometimes Magazines and there opinions follow the official line! They do not want to upset the apple cart etc. (For various reasons) Holder is a worthy champion (I take nothing away from him) I am more annoyed with the vague rules (open to interpretation etc) and the poor behaviour of Holders hangers on! (We all know if Nikki had done what Holder had done on track it may well have been different! We all know if Nikki and his crew had acted like Holder and his crew "pushing and shoving etc!" there would have been major uproar. The vague rules are the cause of the divided opinion! unsatisfactory start?!? No red light so the start was seen as fine?!

Philip That is a bit strong saying Vincent does not matter. A speedway fan, a potential customer of Speedway, of Sky of Speedway Star! Of course he matters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a little naughty!

Anyway great viewing, well done Holder a great year! (The quickest over the year no doubt) A bit of a shambles but it all adds to the excitement! Well done Nikki on being filmed congratulating Chris. (With Jason C watching on like a bodyguard! lol that did make me smile) Vincent Philip says its up to the Ref when he deems the start to end? so when it suits him realy! Cant realy argue with that if there is no rules! maybe coming out of the 4th corner? lol

The quickest bloke won over the year! Great speed balance and skill, fair play! Get rid of a few of the stupid hangers on before they drag you down! (TV filming them pushing and shoving Nikki tarnishing your image!) You have no need for them. You have all thats needed to be a multi champion please do not waste it!

If nobody had fallen (If Nikki had managed to stay on after that hit from Holder) lol.... would he have still Red lighted the race as an unsatisfactory start? Probably not as the start was ok! The Ref did NOT stop the race for an unsatisfactory start! He stopped it after the incident!

Phil I agree with all you say! So the unsatisfactory start is a cop out realy (If its up to the referees decision when the start ends) Why is it obvious that the start includes what happens on the first corner? especially the exit of the first corner? Oh referees and journalists licence! lol Is there no rule on distance travelled before it is no longer the start? (Genuine question)

Phil Down on the track coming out of the corner! Is that the start? I think not! When does the start end in your opinion? after half a lap? 1 lap? or when it suits? If we are being real the start must be before half way round the first corner!

Yes but Phil the start was ok?!

DougieD The Speedway Star is no different than any other publication, people buy it for the "habit, ease, comfort, tradition, portability" etc Most magazine sales, especially specialist niche titles are all in the same situation. Traditional magazine circulation of most types are dwindling, thats why publishers launch magazines run them for 12 months and knock them on the head! Look at the circulation figures of magazines over the last 25 years amazing deduction in figures! Radio Times, Tv Times deregulated and massive drop in circulation Dandy, Beano (Dandy has ceased!) Lady, Punch, Private Eye even Viz comic has dropped. Tastes change, Internet coverage, 24 hour TV, computer games etc has all had an impact. I am suprised how some Magazines keep going! Good luck Speedway Star its a tough market (As can be seen by this forum) I read mine in Tesco if I go in there! lol sorry! M

Nikki off of 2 ! Of course he had a plan! And it was a pretty good plan to! executed perfectly! He did not force Chris off of the track, if he had Nikki would have been excluded. (2 wheels off the track is off the track, 1 wheel off is sometimes the riders chosen line!) A split secound before the point of impact there was some space, but Chris got a jolt of grip and hit Nikki knocking him off. Of course Nikki made the most of it. Of course if it was the other way round Nikki would have gone. Of course Nikki on the walk back to the pits had a word in Chris's ear, all good tactics and gamesmanship! The most annoying thing to me was the real aggresion shown by the furry chinned one who stuck his face aggressively in Nikki's face while they were barging him away! That was not tactics or gamesmanship! Great viewing but on reflection shockingly unprofessional. All in all a good meeting, good world championship. Holder, Pederson, Hancock, Gollob, Lindback and a few more should make a great 2013 Holder was the quickest and a worthy Champion on SPEED AND SKILL! Well done

Holder should have gone, if it was the other way round we all (well most!) know that Nikki would have been excluded! I honestly thought that Holder had fell into / rode into Nikkis perfectly laid and executed trap! Unlucky Nikki you were robbed! Well done Holder you were the fastest and a deserving Champion! But sort out your dodgy hangers on before they spoil it for you (Again Nikki played up to them and they reacted badly, pushing etc etc) Who's fault? Not Nikki on camera we saw a chat and a tap/pat and a bad reaction from Team Holder?!?!? I cant believe a rider at this level is not excluded for the bad behaviour of his team/pit crew or whoever the idiots pushing Nikki around were! (What were they doing on the track?!?!?)

The Dirty Dane that got knocked off my Holder? If it was the other way round there would have been an exclusion! I agree the best man won! Congratulations!

Nikki or Chris ? Not Chris Harris? (OOOOOOOPS woke up from a dream)!

The trouble is (Will not ride in the World Cup) sounds like a knee jerk reaction and a sulky strop! Theres far more riders in the W Cup than the GP so if they all said that we would only end up with 16 riders in the W Cup! lol Relish every opportunity to race the best riders in the world! God knows you need the practice to realy try and improve!

Not realy bothered BUT Nikki please! Love the character, will and even the odd bit of naughtyness! (The GP needs some characters for goodness sake) For some reason I am going off of Holder a little (No idea why as he is shockingly good and realy does not do much wrong)

This is the frustrating thing! I do not want this to sound like I am preaching to a NATIONAL HERO / SUPERSTAR! (But it will!) I just oh so want to be able to cheer on a GB rider in finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have not worked on Grasstrack/Speedway bikes for mmmmmmmmmmmm .... years (a long time) and not with a SUPERSTAR. Most of my time recently has been with car racing of different types. But the rider & mechanic talk AND TRY THINGS, you learn by your mistakes, YOU TWEAK you learn by your mistakes, ALTER GEARING you learn by your mistakes, TIMING you learn by your mistakes, JETTING you learn by your mistakes, TYRE PRESSURES you learn by your mistakes, TRACK CONDITIONS you learn by your mistakes, TRACK TYPE you learn by your mistakes!!!!!! If you DO NOT learn by your mistakes and eventually improve from those mistakes you get nowhere! This I fear is Chis's biggest problem! (Great natural ability, balance, bravery, strength) In a different sport (Same problems) I know someone who was rubbish at gating! they set up there own practice start and did 15mins of gating practice every night they could in all weathers (50foot) they kept a log of every start made in all weathers with a time, revs etc etc (The difference was very noticeable) and through practice they could naturally suss it out and gain consistancy! Chris from an outside view we can see whats wrong and only you can GRAB IT AND CHANGE IT! (Set up & gating) If you get the confidence back in your SET UP & GATING you will be able to make big finals again! Sorry for going on! But I love it when I see Chris Harris in full Chris Harris mode (Flying high & wide brave and fighting for victory)

Oh Chris! (Will have to nip to Tesco to read Speedway Star) If what people are saying is true (No reason to doubt) When you are on form on a track that suits fantastic racer! Listen to what you say sometimes ! ggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrr Over the last few years at the GP's when have you shown this? I cheer you on every meeting (Sad patriot that I am) I end up frustrated with your performance, gating, excuses. You must be honest with yourself, you have not been good enough over recent years in the GP's. Wildcards come in and go better than you. Gating is shocking. (You have no hope in a GP if you miss every gate!) Set up changes appear slow or incorrect. The GP is you alone in the spotlight and for a long while it has not been working. In the WTC you did ok, perhaps you can perform better in a team (Some people can!) I think you can do it at GP level but at the moment you seem to have lost your way. (I dont know if its bikes, mechanics, managers, set up, will to win or what) But its all under your control and only you can MAKE THE CHANGES NECESSARY then get on the bike and prove yourself! I so hope you do! I actually want to shout at you & make you do practice starts 1 hour a day to make improvements. Good luck I hope it works, but dont fool yourself into thinking all is good when its not as you will never get your form back without some home truths M

I thought that was normal! Oh dear! M

Well we can't he missed the post! lol

moxey! you could be right!

Perhaps Speedway fans are like cricket fans! lol Deck chair, blanket, thermos, program