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Thanks. The only table I managed to find didn't carry the points totals.

Can anyone confirm these for & against race points totals for this competition? Edinburgh: 440 - 336 Glasgow: 368 - 408 Middlesbrough: 375 - 401 Newcastle: 370 - 404 Sheffield: 465 - 314 Sunderland: 310 - 465

Late eighties - interesting. Must investigate further. The theory currently being touted in the Allan household would make the Hancock threads read like a nursery rhyme. Sadly due to the highly sensitive nature of the subject matter I couldn't possibly put it in print anywhere.

Cheers.

In the 1979 Intercontinental Final, Ivan Mauger leads a 3-man run-off for 3rd place from Finn Thomsen and Dave Jessup. On the last bend, Mauger slows and moves out and the others pass him. Afterwards Ivan explains it was to do with what start number he would get in the World Final. How did this system work and how long was it in place? From Wikipedia (which awards Mauger 4th at White City for some reason) it doesn't seem to be consistent from year to year, certainly around that time. In 1978 Olsen won the ICF and wore #15 in the final, the same number Mauger was awarded for finishing 5th.

You weren't inspired to watch that following recent 'events' in Melbourne, were you?

Just to tidy up the 1984 Belle Vue v Swindon match, the match was rained off on 22nd September. This was the first senior match to be cancelled at Hyde Road in 1984. With both being Saturday tracks, available dates were an issue. 29/9 Aces were at Coventry and Robins at home to Oxford. 6/10 Aces at home to Bees while Swindon were at home to Ipswich. 13/10 Swindon were at home to Wimbledon while Aces ran 13/10 v Poole then a double header the next day with Cradley (League Cup Final) & Wolves (KOC semifinal). 20th was the BLRC. 27th Swindon were at Cradley while Belle Vue hosted Ipswich, who tied up the league title on the 23rd, in the KOC final. They tried on successive nights to run the Swindon match on 3rd & 4th November. From the Speedway Star report: "Promoter Stuart Bamforth and his staff worked until the very last moment in their efforts to clear the track and then riders and officials jumped into their cars to drive round and round in a brave bid to tyre-pack the heavy shale. But when Belle Vue captain Chris Morton brought out a bike and attempted to race on it, it proved difficult to negotiate with the track spongy and decidedly greasy underneath. The riders then decided to call it a day in a trackside discussion with the promoter. No new starting date has been settled but it seems unlikely, with some Swindon riders going home in the next few days and with other commitments by Belle Vue riders, that this meeting will ever be re-held." I think that qualifies as a bona fide attempt to get the meeting staged.

Thanks for taking a look.

Cheers for that. Do you have the following meetings' programme - 2nd October D/H - in case it carries mention of the winner?

I looked at that 15/08 programme and perhaps jumped to the wrong conclusion that it was a printers error. Only 2 races are listed, in the middle of which is the Reserves Scurry (lack of scurrying reserves is killing this sport). The heats all look like scratch races. I'm trying to hunt down a marked programme. A scan of the blank one can be had here https://app.box.com/s/uhdzga2nuc2wws55j5sksixrdeg449eh Actually it's worth a look just to read Randall Butt's column on the facing page

As you are probably able to deduce from my recent gamut of requests for information, work on season results lists from 1965 to 1984 is getting towards the sharp end. The lists are born of Barry Stephenson's original Excel files. Under close scrutiny several discrepancies were discovered so a decision was taken to rebuild them from scratch. The finished lists will be published on Speedway Researcher and hopefully the SGB website. Of course Barry's lists go on beyond 1984. However I'm all out of Speedway Stars at that point, and yearbooks and online research alone are not enough to avoid a long list of queries forming. Once the first set has been published I'll take a look at 85 onwards and perhaps then I can appeal for contributors to help complete the project. For now, over 20,000 lines of information later, I'm left with the following queries to resolve. A couple of these are already posted in other threads but I'm sure you'll excuse me. 10/06 & 15/06/1968 Belfast Dunmore v All Stars What was the outcome of these matches? I suspect the latter date was a restaging. 3/08/1969 Belle Vue Northern Riders Championship QR Abandoned heat 9 - rain Were the points scored in this wash out included in riders' overall qualifying points totals? In other words, did the result stand? 28/05/1970 Teesside v Canterbury (BL2) Postponed I have a note stating Canterbury failed to arrive for this match. Teesside instead staged a challenge against a Northern Select. Confirm that Crusaders didn't show up. 28/08/1970 Workington v Stars of the League (CH) 42-36 Confirm date and result. 07/06/1971 Scunthorpe v Workington (CH) 40-38 Confirm date and result. 10/06/1971 Ipswich v Peterborough (KOC) Rained off Confirm rained off and restaged 12/06. 23/09/1971 Ipswich v Canterbury (BL2) Rained off Confirm rained off and restaged 24/09. 25/09/1971 Kings Lynn Eastern Grass Track Speedway Championship (Individual) Meeting date & title confirmed (see below). Just the winner required now. 15/10/1972 Rye House Gerald Hussey Memorial Trophy Confirm date and result. Possibly not staged. 27/09/1974 Peterborough v Berwick (BL2) Rained off Confirm Berwick were second half of a double header with Barrow. 25/10/1979 Wimbledon v Hackney (London Cup L2) Possibly one heat run before rain off. If so, result of that heat required. Confirmation of date also required. 14/07/1980 Birmingham Philishave Fours (4TT) Rained off Names of competing teams required.

I've got two other junior-related queries from 1971 and 1982: 06/11/1971 King's Lynn Stars of Tomorrow Winner Mike Lanham Wikipedia states Mike "won the BSSC Junior Trophy in his first season". I don't have any note for a meeting of that title but I'm guessing that they were one and the same event. Confirmation of that notion is required. 29/10/1982 Swindon v Central Junior League Select 46-32 Confirmation of date and result required.

The Speedway Star reports that Tom Owen won the 2nd half final that night. I would have expected that to have been scrubbed if they were running a double header although I suppose it may just have been a single top scorers race.

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Andrew & cityrebel, thank you both for your help.

The Researcher file shows Dave Kennett as a guest. Perhaps Romford were going to stage the 11/10 meeting but for some reason couldn't do so. With regards to the result of heat 2 it's entirely possible Speedway Star or whoever got the Kennetts the wrong way round. Thanks again.

The information provided by members of this forum never ceases to amaze, so I'm going to add my remaining junior match related queries for 1984 to this thread. 20th May Poole v Swindon 43-35 Confirm date & result 12th June Weymouth v Swindon 48-30 or 48-28 1984 yearbook and Weymouth programme 17/07 reports result as 48-30 but SStar 23/06 returns 48-28. Confirmation required. Weymouth v Reading 32-46 1984 yearbook only gives date as June/July. So date required and confirmation of result. 17th August Poole: Southern or Wessex Junior Championship Winner Mike Semmonds Confirm meeting title & result 30th August Sheffield Junior Championship Winner Rob Fidler Confirm meeting title & result 3rd September Scunthorpe Junior Best Pairs Result required 13th September Arena Essex v Hackney v Milton Keynes v Rye House Result required 14th October Berwick Stars of Tomorrow 2nd Leg 'Winner' reported as Jackson Irving. Confirm that Irving won the meeting and the overall competition, not just the latter. 1st November Sheffield Vee Clutches Best Pairs Rained off 25/10 and rescheduled but not 100% if it actually went ahead. If it did, the winners are required.

Many thanks for following that up.

How about over 20's go free when accompanied by an under-20 paying full admission?

Thanks for your reply Steve. Regarding the different result, the only heat where an Eagle and a Crusader finished together was heat two, can you confirm which order the Kennett's finished in? I have Gordon 3rd, Dave 4th. Also note there were no heat times published for the meeting, was anything recorded in the programme? So it appears that this was over 3 legs only with the 13/09 result not standing and no leg at Romford.

I am working from the 1970 season file on Speedway Researcher. This 4 team tournament was between Eastbourne, Canterbury, Romford and Rayleigh and the results are shown in this order. Leg 1: 31/08 at Rayleigh: 20 v 22 v 19 v 35 Leg 2: 13/09 at Eastbourne: 12 v 09 v 14 v 07 Aband Heat 7 - rain - result stands Leg 3: 03/10 at Canterbury: 19 v 42 v 21 v 14 Leg 4: 11/10 at Eastbourne: 33 v 29 v 11 v 23 The aggregate scores are given as East 84 Can 104 Rom 65 Ray 79. The above figures indicate Canterbury scored 102. The matches all show the requisite number of total points (3 x 96 and 1 x 42) so I believe the 104 to be wrong. Into the mix comes a rained off fixture on 13/09 at Rye House, an un-titled 4TT with Eastbourne, Canterbury & Romford. Would two meetings in one day have been scheduled? Were they 'B' teams? Was it actually a Rayleigh fixture? Was it perhaps at Rye as a replacement for the missing Romford leg? Or was it simply as shown, a 4TT ran before or after the abandoned match at Eastbourne? I must add I find it strange that the abandoned match at Eastbourne was declared as a result. It's early enough in the season for a re-staging, and the teams do reconvene on 11/10 so date availability doesn't seem to be an issue. Romford don't seem short of home dates, they stage 5 challenge matches from 17/09 till 22/10, so what happened to their leg? If any track experts can nail this one down I'd appreciate it.

Cheers.

Typical Sassenach...

1st May 1983 Mildenhall v Long Eaton (NL) Abandoned through rain, at what heat and what was the score at the time? 13th June 1983 Scunthorpe v Stoke v Boston v Sheffield (Junior 4TT) Result required 13th October Oxford: Cubs v Ducks (Junior CH) Result and confirmation of team names required 22nd October Stoke v Leicester v Swindon v Sheffield (Junior 4TT) Result required Any help appreciated as always.

Reading that I'm now wondering if the first leg at Halifax went ahead as scheduled. The 'rained off' information comes from the results sheet I'm trying to update but I've not got any further proof. If it was off, it must have been restaged on the Tuesday or Wednesday 29th/30th for the 2nd leg to run on the 31st. Thanks for you help.