Sidney the robin

Thanks ORLOV.

Any news of who is Zach's replacement???

With the result meaning nothing and Belle Vue doing a great thing by giving young Bickley his debut surely young Rowe should get a go instead of Zach.He would be up against Smith and Bickley so it would be a great chance for our no 8 to gain long term experience.

Spot on you had no knowledge of the riders riding in the late 60s,70s or 80s did you you never see them ride.Yet you make things up as you go along to suit your own argument pretty sad really but nothing changes.

Thanks alot Barry great stuff will make it over next year hopefully will stay overnight.

No i think Grachan answered your posts brilliantly and he does not care if he is right or wrong and neither do i. Also Grachan has seen those riders so his opinion!!!!!!! is more valid.Wont mention it again but will enjoy telling you again i do believe the top riders and the BL from 1969-1986 was of a very high standard and i will never waver from that averages or no averages.

An OPINION i respect yours why dont you do the same if you are capable.

What do you recon 12/16 weeks if you are lucky ( light /weather issues) to do the work that is a big ask.

I liked Smallmead i had some of my best Speedway night's there on a Monday night.

How will the new track look? similar to Somerset maybe.

Total rubbish from someone who probably did not see him ride and that comment is insulting to Ashby honestly to TRY to win a debate you don't half scrape the barrel.By the way another one for you to try to talk down Penhall,Gundersen, Grahame,Collins CRADLEY did those four have inflated averages ???? ( only 2 future champs in there) why don't you ask Peter Adams how good those four were.!!!!

All i know is most teams in the BL had an in/out number 1 and usually two good heat leaders as well put averages to one side for a moment..Belle Vue ( 1972 )Mauger Collins Sjosten Pusey we saw them our own eye told us that they were good riders.Also go back to the British Finals with the Aussies/ New Zealander's in mega line ups your instinct told you they were good riders the level was high.Chunky is SPOT on though and he could well be right nobody can prove it my take on it is go on your own instinct and experience and decide that way.

I would say though Witcher forget averages formats (ect) those riders rode in a era that was a far higher standard that Tai has ever rode in over here.As Ove pointed out Tai has never really been pushed in the Uk what i would say is Tai has rode in a mega tough Polish league for years My point is the old British league was of a high standard everyweek tough different tracks different challenges at one time it was the BEST.

Think you are spot on OVE i bet you feel privalaged that you have seen so many great riders in your lifetime!!!!.Every rider can only beat what is put in front of him also now the bikes have changed one hell of alot.My few regrets that i have in speedway are that i never saw Craven/ Knutsson ride and that i never saw Fundin and Briggs at there peak.

Just felt the pressure was different Bruno you have a poor Gp you know you can regroup and win the next two to make up.In the old format if you needed 8 to qualify and you had two efs you were in trouble.Hand on heart i believe Tai,Bartosz, Doyley, Magic are the only riders at the moment who can win over a longer format that could change.But as you pointed out generally in the 70s did you ever look farther than Mauger, Olsen, Michanek,Lee,Collins ?

I dont really worry to much about his tarnished reputation for me as an all round rider of all disiplines he was a class act over a long period of time.Very similar to Leigh Adams always in control a very measured rider.

If he wins seven Bruno that would be great but does that tell you the overall level might not be as tough as some of the other era's.Also with the way the series is now the scoring system (etc) i believe Ivan winning 6 one off finals was alot harder than winning the series as it is now both of course take different qualities to do so.

Spot on Colin you have to take into consideration the era and this era was a very very strong one god you were doing very well just to get near a WTC squad.

Pretty much how i feel you cannot forget that Craven was about in a very good era Fundin awesome Briggs a force for a long time he won two titles before his death at 29.Who is to say he would not of won more titles Collins and Lee are in the mix and i am in agreement with you the best of Lee was as good as anybody i have ever seen ride.Back to Tai brilliant he deserves every accolade he gets a great rider and i hope he goes on and wins more titles.

Brennan was very impressive in that tough championship Ipswich round early in the season and impressed at Swindon beating Woryna/ Jackobsen he showed great nerve in heat 2 there.

Totally agree with everything you said and as Norbold said all the greats had quality in a different way.Price,Farndon,Craven,Lee, Collins,Williams ( Welsh) Tai you can only beat what is in front of you at the time.I was never a fan of Tai never ever wanted him to be mentioned in the same breath as Lee but you have to.He has grown on me and i have great respect for what he has achieved and I hope it continues with Lambert soon joining him.

I think Madsen deserves to be in it, the series needs to allow fresh blood in and on current form he is certainly a top 16 rider.He also has a good chance of doing well because he is such a good gater will he get in? i have my doubts.I think with Puk and Pedersen( wildcard) he will miss out 3 Danes???

Really interesting what you say for most ask Bickley moving to Championship level how difficult it i s a big ask.Brennan i have seen only once this year see him as a youth rider but he has real ability a nice style.Jenkins is the same he has had a difficult year this year but he will be fine out of the others i like Rowe and Edwards both can move forward.

He' will not come on this forum again in my opinion I.e.) because he is arrogant and he will stick out like a sore thumb.I never liked him ever but there were others on this forum who licked his ass Shawn this Shawn that if I had my way i would feed him to the pigs.

Yes sorry JJ up there with Kemp and has a great future ahead of him.