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No offence taken and sensible post. Ward & Holder came from lower div teams such as KL and IOW iwhere as young riders they were rightly cutting their teeth. Poole signed them as a Prem/Elite team as they saw their potential and were willing to take a risk on non proven youngsters. Shanes was signed mainly to allow Matt more points higher up last season and this and because he had shown some potential in NL. plus had an accomodating low GSA. I am the first to admit that LAST season he had shown potential and even though he was not showing signs of pushing on.BUT he has been riding in Speedway since 2013 for Coventry 2nd so isnt new to the scene being 21. Honestly I have reservations as to where he will end up in the sport as get impression his real loves are grass track and long track. Just an opinion. Ultimately many know he has suffered as a result of others not performing. But lets not lose sight of te fact that Matt would NOT have released him had others performed. Teams like Swindon could be patient with Zach as they had other relieve the pressure but I think Zach has shown the potential. Is one year younger and had 2 seasons less in the sport having started only 2015. Another example is Newman. A repetition of injuries have for sure curtailed his progress, but to be honest neither at Plymouth/Ips (who didnt retain him ) so far at Lakeside and also imo for Leicester, has he shown he has moved forward and progressed. For a rider who has been riding since 2007 (11 years) and is 27 this year. Dont you think he should have moved on even taking into a/c his injuries. he should be at the top of his game now but for me he will always be a lower order rider in both Prem/Champ despite his many years of experience in both leagues. I think its important that we have a balanced view and not a Poole always dump young UK Brits when the going gets tough. I am sure Matt would like to develop young UK talent if it is really there but not just always because he/they are a Brit.

Yes but that is in respect of the young Brits coming through and nothing to do with Milik. My comments were about mixing this obvious talent coming through together with some of the existing talent such as mixing say a Kemp/Jenkins/Flint (say 2 per team) and putting it with other established young riders (such as Kurtz/Holder Jr) and also adding experience such as say Holder Sr and Josh G etc. That way we are taking advantage of presenting all that is good in Speedway - Up and coming new talent only say the 16/17/18 year olds - Exciting existing young talent - Experienced riders like the Holders/Josh G's/Klindt's. Name who you like just taking examples. Mix these young raw talents with the bigger guys so they race against similar talent and more experienced in the same race. It's just idea's going forward. The way you put the comment over was as if you were insinuating I was trying to get Milik on a low GSA just to fiddle around the points available to Matt if he goes down the route I mentioned. If Milik does not qualify for a reduction as I thought then of course Matt would have to rethink, but even then I think its a highly unlikely scenario even if I wished it. Remember I did quantify my comments with the fact I was playing a "Fantasy team" building exercise/discussion. Just so we are clear.

Interesting that when you try to engage in sensible dialogue on your own teams forum you get the inevitable troll or idiot who comes in from outside with something stupid or idiotic. Today it seems we have another poster who is not a regular - from ipswich it seems (sounds familiar to someone who has recently gone quiet or is serving a ban maybe from the same area???). Not only that but our friend DC2 could not resist a laughing to the above reply. No wonder sensible posters such as Poole Bolton has had his fill of some of the crap that flies around on the Poole Forum from those with no interest in the club other than sniping or taking the pee out of anything constructive - contributory to a discussion or otherwise. Dont blame him for stepping out of the forum as he is probably fed up with it. Or to coin what dontwhatf says "waffle". Nowhere in my qte did I say so lets take advantage of it, but YES just like any other Prem side his GSA is there for any club to sign him. Whether it be his current GSA or a reduced it still on face value a good GSA for such a POTENTIALLY good rider. Nothing is guaranteed as can be seen with what happened with Sundstrom/Woryna/Spaniak as POL form can be misleading. I am happy to indulge in sensible online exchanges with anyone if its sensible, and i can take criticism if its constructive or contributes to the discussion/forum. As for the idiot come backs. Please forgive me if i don't indulge those who get a kick out of winding people up or just antagonising them. At least I would say with Gavan a lot of what he says makes a lot of sense and even though some of the Poole die hards find it hard to take. His comments on reservations about the Poles on UK tracks - turned out to be correct so far. His comments re Brady v Morris are again spot on. In fairness he made those comments clearly in ref to comparing them in UK Speedway to date and not on the World stage where Brady may one day prove to be the better rider. Also maybe in UK long term but at this stage Morris is the better proven heat leader but he also has greater experience and the AV do not lie either last season or this where both are now riding as number 1. I will take Gavan on most days as he has constructive input. Just needs to tolerate some of the come back a bit better, as he should know that as an Ipswich supporter on a Poole Forum that most things not pro Poole will always generate a reaction. At least he talks with knowledge and his insight as to what may happen has in the main happened with the risks Matt took in bringing in riders who had been out of UK some time i.e: Spaniak/Woryna/Sundstrom even if on paper they looked decent signings. If he is on a temp ban after last weeks meltdown I welcome his constructive views when he is back. Anyway don't want to keep waffling as it might upset certain visiting posters who have not interest in our team other than having a pop for the sake of it.

I was the one who made the Lambert comment. When I saw this was a Wed fixture I immediately checked the DK fixtures as i know that DK had been given Wed priority. It didnt affect my team Poole as we had no riders with DK commitments but my thoughts were what about Lambert and NKI who both signed up for DK, I think even maybe before Uk as they were both latish signings for KL and the rules were already in place. I think NKI's team not riding that night but of course if he is having an op and treatment on his shoulder then it could mean he misses the meeting. Lambert's team are riding so in theory he could miss out. Doesnt he also live in Germany with his girlfriend now ??, so I assume he would do POL Sun/SWE Tuesday then DK Wed as its now bridge connected ??. Also not constantly having to fly in and out of UK. I cld be wrong of course but if thats the rules then I assume he will ride DK which he already did on a Wed when it clashed with KL this season I believe. Not sure if Jorgensen is affected as not sure if he rides DK or if his team rides that night.

Hmmm Interesting. Don't suppose Poole could loan him to Somerset on basis he is not allowed to ride in the 3 Aug matches against his parent club (like in football ??). Also between 4th July and season end Somerset have about 16 league matches. They have about 12 from the 19th July meaning it could hit his GSA for next season if he did ride and Matt wanted him back with younger bro for 2019. They are after all both Poole assets. Of course there is still the small matter of his visa issues and on the subject of the thinking out loud on needing income to maybe pay towards his son. He should be doing that anyway irrespectice of where he rides and I am sure his lucrative POL/SWE deals generate plenty of income. I would like to think it is his main priority in life anyway besides his job. Just replying to your thinking out loud comment ;-)

Keeping the NL of course sas it is now starting to throw up some exciting young talent. Some of what the likes of Drew Kemp are showing at 15 not even Dan Bewley was arguably doing at the same age. Similar maybe with the likes of Leon Flint.Maybe in our own small way this is our micro version of what the Poles are doing with their juniors. OK we a re nowhere near them in overall class but then we dont have the money/crowds/stadium (other than the NSS) or sponsorship. BUT we have to start somewhere and these young kids seem to be suddenly coming along in numbers. Let's take advantage of it combining youth and talent (in our own way) like the Poles do. Even if it is a case of small steps.

Yes but they will qualify by right imo and not because they are close friends to Monster Joe ;-) Thats assuming the likes of Holder and Hancock were perhaps not to qualify by right ?? Got away with it this season but if they bomb out this season then it could be curtains for next ??

All things being equal would happily build the side around Kurtz/C.Holder/J.Holder/Josh G and throw in a couple of promising young brits and a.n.other. Much as i want to win the league I also want to see a combination of exciting talent and promising youngsters. Young guys like Drew Kemp/Jordan Jenkins/Leon Flint/Kyle Bickley/Jason Edwards who are 15/16 and Jack P.Blackburn who has returned only 17. These are the guys who potentially excite me for the future. Give us some form of single league set up maybe with regions initially then knock outs and combine top guys/middle order and these youngsters maybe is a way forward ??

interesting but Spaniak wasnt injured ?? and he got a reduction He arguably should have been marked up based on his POL Nice form last season flwg such logic ?? He may not even be part of the thinking but would be interesting if he is, and no doubt Matt would have the answer to that question anyway before committing to signing him in the unlikely event he was available. I say Spaniak was not injured for a full season but I mean I am not aware he was. BUT based on his recent form one would never have assumed he would get a 4 plus GSA even if with the benefit of hindsight he has been that due to chronic underperformance this season in UK and POL. Can see that guy out of a place at Poole and Rybnik the way its going and with Cook a more than able replacement in Rybnik based on this seasons form.

Hmmm - But don't the rules preclude any team changes after July ?? I don't know how it works. He is a Poole asset and is employed by Poole. Doesnt that qualify him as an employee for permit/visa purposes even if he doesnt ride again for Poole this season. Could work as a team adviser or something and then be announced as in the team for def in 2019 if his visa allows it?? Not an expert on such things so just summising.

Call it what you want but the SCB/BSPA write the rules not Poole. I assume IF such a rider was available then every team in the Prem has access to signing him. Remember also he is NOT a GP rider even if many think he has been unlucky not to be one this season. Hopefully if the old boys/inside friends trick is not pulled on us again for 2019 by Monster Joe and its cronies, we will see some of the other younger talent out there such as Milik/Drabik etc as Wild Cards.

No he doesnt. He earns plenty form POL/SWE so assume doesnt need the money just like all those other top stars who dont want to come over here. As for next season ?? - I assume Matt would have to declare an early interest to insure he has a work permit. Aaaggghhh this permit/visa thing is all getting too complicated. He could do a treble by announcing Chris/Brady/Jack and all hopefully well below 8 if they retain that rule. Factor alsopossibly the new Aussie/Pole Josh G on a one off lower than normal GSA and there you have 4 riders already ;-)

Does that also mean he won't need a visa/work permit in future if he has become a POL citizen. Means maybe one less problem for Matt to worry about in 2019 if he is going to be part of the team on maybe an attractive GSA ;-) That would also explain partly why so much time spent in POL this season. Maybe he now has dual nationality meaning he can straddle both sides of the fence.

Hmmm - Interesting comment re Josh if you factor in closing comments on my longish post just now on Poole for next season. Maybe 4 Aussies in the team Agree with plenty of the above as mentioned in some of my previous posts. For me getting some wins and moving up the table for this season is my priority for Poole. Anything else this season would be a bonus even if we were losing semi finalists in play offs. After the problems both on and off the track with Poole 2018 and lack of finance etc and problems Matt has had I think even mid table wont be a disaster with PERHAPS more exciting possibilities for next season if you can factor in Chis/Jack/Brady and yes maybe a more settled Josh on a not high GSA for 2019. But that's for next year. Let's get this year sorted first and get some confidence building wins in the team. I am sure Matt will have his forward team building head on IF the League retains its current format for next year.

Good open & honest comments from both Klindt and Matt in the Echo. Finally some clarity to the situation. Klindt quite right when he says he cannot be the sole saviour of Poole's season. What he does bring is experience, maybe some team bonding/spirit and yes many think he is a gating tart, BUT isn that half of what Poole's problem has been this season. Getting out of the gate in many instances. He could prove interesting as based on my below comments re Matt's press release, maybe Klindt could drift in and out of reserve which is where he could do most damage to less experienced opposition as he did last season when in there. Finally an open and honest release from Matt on the situation with team building and Holder. Well what he can say openly on the Holder situ that is. I think yes now he needs to press on without Chris and has opened up on the frustration of trying to book top riders. Now its out in the open and he can press on building perhaps more of an in depth side aiming also for strong reserves which we know i so important in winning tight matches if one or two of the top guys are not firing fully. If we assume (for this exercise if nothing else) that Spaniak is on the edge of the walking plank, Its starting to look like it could well be Brady K/Linus S/Josh G/Nicolai K/Kacper W and Richie W if he can be convinced to sign for rest of this season. Doing the calc I make it we have 5.58 left to play with. Now indulge me here as we are playing Fantasy team rebuilding, but I notice in Matt's release he named plenty of so called top starts not willing to come over BUT one name he did not mention who has ridden for us before and is on a crazy low average is Vaclav Milik. Cannot understand why he did not eliminate him in the press release as he is a kind of potential star on a crazy low GSA. It sits at 5.67 BUT factor in a 5% discount as he hasnt ridden since 2015 (2 x 2.5% reduction) and you get 5.39 - within the 5.58 left. Ok maybe its a long shot but knowing Matt wanted him for some time, last season and maybe this, just a bit surprised he didnt name one of his top targets from the list of non availables. Would be a dream signing of course as even if he didnt score 8/9 he should improve on his GSA. Did well in SWE last nigth and seems to be going ok in POL/SWE. Lost out on SGP for 2019 but will be hoping he maybe gets a wildcard for the SGP Final qualifier or even maybe one for the GP next year as no other Czechs in there. Anyway its a dream thought and thats partly what the forum is about huh ?? Next we could go for Gomolski who indeed I do have reservations aired only yesterday on where his level is, as believe he thinks he is better than he actually is. If we factor in his form last season in POL Nice 1 and on a good day what he can sometimes achieve in POL EXL then at his GRA of 5.51 MAYBE he is worth a risk on basis he could be sharing the reserve berth with Wory/Klindt for rest of this season?? So there are some options/opinions. Another one is young Frederik Jakobsen. Only 19 - doing well in POL League 2 and in DK and we know Matt is a fan. Said pre season he would not consider UK before June due to studies in DK but would surely get a low GSA having never ridden UK and still in effect junior status. One drawback MIGHT be fixture clashes in DK but if Klindt can sign for Poole them maybe ???. Just an additional idea to throw into the mix. Anyway no doubt we will here more as we now have some clarity on not getting an 8 pointer. As for Holder and assuming he does NOT ride in UK this year then food for thought for Matt for next season. I assume he would shave 2.5% from his 7.16 havening not ridden UK 2018 so now 6.98 (even more attractive). Assuming his work permit issue will be over (one way or the other so he will or wont be in UK). Matt can also monitor his in and out form in POL/SWE and SGP. Interesting I see that he doesnt feel the need to go in the qualifiers for the SGP. Either he is over confident he will get into the top 8 or perhaps feels that his ultra close relationship to main sponsor Joe at Monster will help him through again on a wildcard if he misses out. Additionally maybe Matt can (if Chris's form warrants keeping him) also get Jack back for next season as for sure they will be happier riding together in same team and if as we hope Jack improves (both his form and attitude towards his employer ) Brady and Jack (both still with plenty of improvement to come) and Chris for 2019 in itself would be good, and no I am not going to make crazy predictions on how good the team would be, only that it would be a good 3 to have in the one team.

He may jump at the chance to ride anywhere regularly. He's sitting on the sidelines in POL as his new POL EXL team have only used him twice in 7 matches, although he was pretty poor in both. Think his problem is he thinks he is better than he probably is. I think he found his level in POL Nice 1 where last season his av was 7.95 per 4 rides and match av (some meetings 5 rides plus) was 9.24 taking all rides completed. Think he still has a belief he is a POL EXL rider but I'm not convinced and thing he is going to find out the hard way. Think he has also shunned being loaned out in the May window in the hope of still breaking in. I reckon in UK he is maybe a 6/6.5 pointer at best and still feel after his woeful efforts in those few meetings for Leicester last season before he was dumped, that is what Poole would get, and even then I think he is another risky Pole. We have already seen that as far as Poole is concerned anyway that POL EXL form (in case of Woryna last season and his good POL Nice form this season) - Spaniaks great form in Nice 1 last season - Sundstroms questionable form in POL Exl last season and this, is not a great yardstick for how they would perform in UK. Many of course will remember that title winning ride against Wolves in 2015, but lets not lose sight of the fact he only had a 5.51 final GSA in a League Winning side and in the seasons flwg he has not really pushed on having failed in POL EXL in 2016 - moved down in 2017 and even then 7.95 is not spectacular in that League. Wouldnt surprise me one bit if he went back to being what I feel he is with more down performances than up. He is a big Poole fan and was gutted he didnt get signed in 2016 having flown over here close season anticipating he would be announced. But being a big fan and seeking a paycheck and all related expenses for commuting etc is one thing. Doing it on the track is another. For me someone more reliable without busting the Bank would be preferred even if it does mean we dont quite make it this season. Getting new riders NOW sure wont be easy, but surely there must be someone out there less risky and perhaps with less cost.

I get the impression that with his last Echo interview he was eluding to that situation. Said that he would leave no stone unturned, but got the distinct feeling he was looking more towards a strength in depth side. But so much depends on getting Holder back. If he doesnt maybe he will try and secure Worrall for the rest of the season - use the Holder point shortfall and sign maybe a Gomolski. But at that stage i think it will be just a damage limitation exercise with a what will be will be for rest of 2018 season. A side of that nature wouldnt be the end of the World but having a part firing number one with the likes of Sundstrom/Josh G and others equally capable of scoring a poor 4/5 as much as a 10 in any given week, it would be more of a leap of faith than one of real confidence. Also just as previous 2 seasons I would not have great confidence in any play off over 2 legs if we scraped into 4th. But after the "Anus Horiblus" start to 2018 on so many fronts from the bad weather - the bad season start for so many riders - Holder situation - financial disaster Matt must have had with all those raqin offs incl the 70th Anniv meeting alone and function having cost a small fortune - less money in the sport from tv and no doubt lower sponsorship money - falling crowds - cancellations and the lack of money for arguably one of the top teams kevlars - its may be an achievement in itself to get to the play offs. Not putting a downer on things just a reality check on where we are. If the team does really well the second half of the season I will gladly put my hands up and say how well they did.

With 2 home meetings against Leic & KL (who may be without NKI with Op recovery and MAYBE Lambert as his DK side have a fixture and DK SHOULD get priority on a WED) then a few of these riders should up their AV if they are going the right way. If they don't then it will be a case of one swallow doesnt make a Summer. Hopefully most if not all will as some will be looking over their shoulder for that large axe hanging over their heads. Personally I would be looking for all 6 points from these 2 meetings with NO point bonus give aways thanks, as too many teams picking up odd points which could go against Poole in the quest for a top 4 place. Bearing in mind Poole having ridden more meetings than all/most.

But where would he fit ?? Just did a calc and taking BK/LS/JG/KW/CH and NK comes to 47.69 - only leaves 4.57. Gomolski is on around 5.5 which even if you factor in 2.5/5% reduction for not having ridden full time since 2015) other than few matches 2017 that still leaves him on 5.23/25 so too high to fit. Assuming on dropping Spaniak and replacing him. If we assume that he can't get (or afford) an 8 pointer than maybe his thinking of having 2 strong reserves to kick off in June aka Woryna/Klindt and go for a stronger middle order ?? The problem is how much longer do you wait for Holder ?? - Matt has got a 2 week break coming up after Leic H then home to KL (may get away with no Holder again ?? and poss KL without NKI through either op recovery NKI and Lambert as his DK team have a fixture that night (Denmark gets priority as its a Wed). In which case Matt has maybe another week up his sleeve to look at replacement. He will have to do it before 23/6 latest as thats when the new GSA cut off date for July is. Also having 2 home meetings on the trot against Leic & KL chances are that some riders GSA's may creep up again like Wor (from reserve)/Sund/Kurtz/Graz??/Worrall?? so he will have to tweek it before the new ones come out to take advantage. Of course if CH doesnt come back then maybe it will be a Worrall & Gomolski combo as he will have the Holder shortfall to play with. Having said that may look stronger in depth but I feel the lack of a NO 1 will bite us on the backside as Brady continue to prove he is not a NO 1 at this stage of his career, and continues to blow it when its most important. Something sadly that is becoming too apparent even though still early in his career. Have seen it in Aussie and in Europe when he needs to put in that one big ride. Not knocking it but a few have noticed the weakness. Needs to iron that out long term or he may continue to keep falling short.

Nothing to do with Ford's desire to win the Prem each season. To attract any riders of note now in Prem, the riders want decent money - probably good sponsorship - flight money - accomodation ??. That's without what the Polish parent clubs want in guarantees if they lost these riders to injury. Let's face it. The money in POL has gone up and in UK its standing still or is dropping due to lower attendances - no Sky deal with the BT deal so much lower. Lack of real high sponsorship money - Poole's loss of the Readypower deal season before last which I read was over 100K per season must have been a blow as I am sure Volvo deal is nowhere near it. Factor all these things is and there are your reasons why we cant get the top/top guys. NKI/Doyle/Holder are all based in UK so it suits their lifestyle. Vaculik came as he said he wanted experience on smaller tracks. Look where that got him. Probably has cost him his SGP place for next season. Wouldn't blame him for not comin back after that injury. So nothing to do with Matt Ford. Any top rider would be in for the rest of the season anyway if signed now. Anyone who knows anything about speedway would have looked at that Poole side signed pre season and said it looks a decent side (even if some maybe went too overboard in how good they might be). I doubt if anyone would have thought that so many would under perform so badly in one go to leave the scenario the club now has.

Must admit I also fear for Poole in this meeting. Dont think Brady Kurtz has ridden this track too well in the past and if you number one may struggle to get 7/8 points then the rest don't bear thinking about. If Wolves riders become complacent maybe the damage may be limited to 10 points but I somehow doubt it. Also even though this meeting DOESN'T affect the new GSA's for Poole in June (now on SGB site), I doubt it will matter to the result. Thankfully for Poole they don't have to go there in a regular league match again this season after Monday. Maybe not again this season anyway if it continues as it has this season. BUT wont give up hope just yet until we know Ford's rider plan for June. Not over hopeful on that in honesty.

Unfortunately he paid the price of others not doing their job - again....... The stronger reserve (which arguably Nielsen has been this season based on performances in Champ), has had to come in to compensate for the Poles not doing their job or Josh G or Sundstrom. Add the Holder crazy situation into the mix and yes poor James has got the rough end of it. But you can be sure he wont be the last Poole rider out the door this season the way its gone. Assuming Matt Ford can convince anyone to come in. The last press release was hardly inspiring on that score.

Grajczoniek's form continues to concern. Currently 2 points from 3 rides for his Polish Team and just been subbed for a tactical in his 4th. The Poles must be paying plenty as he gave up riding in Champ where he had a guaranteed team place - probably plenty of tactical rides - At least 50 meetings a season and probably more with guesting's. He went big time for his Polish licence, has spent lots of time practicing there (and may still be over there a few days per week). He was sitting with a 5.17 av from 4 meetings before today and that will now drop further. There must be plenty of money dished out to cover him flying out there constantly - equipment over there etc. Ok nowhere near as many meetings as a Champ season but even so I wonder if such a poor return in points is covering his costs and compensating him. He is kind of performing similar to how Sundstrom is in POL/SWE. I.E: Not very well. I suppose he feels its now or never at 28. Personally I feel he has reached his level. A good Champ rider and was a steady performer in Prem until this season where he has gone from a starting 7.34 to 5.53 based on his first 8 league matches. Near enough a whopping 2 point drop. His 20 match rolling av doesnt reflect that at 6.53 but highlights how bad he has been this season. At this rate he could be out of both teams ??

I personally think it is heading towards one big league with perhaps some regional breakdown but with the top group of teams in each regional league then going into some kind of play off situation. Just a thought. This fixed day thing is probably killing crowds with some teams and we are already seeing the monkeying around with those clubs choosing to ride on Wed. A prime example being KL with both Lambert and NKI missing matches as the Danes get priority on a Wed. But lets not kid ourselves - Speedway in Uk is continuing to decline and not helped by the lack of finaccila clout big time compared to POL where they have so much more money and still attract a young crowd plus the more mature. Something really has to give. The Champ seems to be ok but then its not reliant on the big boys. There must be a way one can combine the two with maybe open racing nights and then those riders who choose to ride here have to choose if they want to fit in with that clubs race nights to minimise fixture loss. It saddens me when I look at things such as the video of the RH v Swindon meeting where in many parts it looked like one man and his dog in attendence. We have to accept that with POL/SWE being far away from UK financially - factor in the SGP - plenty of SGP/SEC qualifiers - open meetings in POL - World Team meetings, good quality young riders meetings of all kings incl Euro and World U21 qualifiers and finals - Polish Junior league meetings etc/etc, a lot of these guys get plenty enough meetings without having to fly all the way to UK. Guys like Hans Anderson do it as they know they are in their later years so they will only do POL/SWE/DK/UK as it works financially until they bow out. If we dont change things then surely only time before some of the top teams start to fold.

Correct but Doyle was in a different league to Holder both last season and season before. Should have been World Champ not once but twice. Not a great team rider BUT by far the best heat leader by a mile over those 2 seasons. Factor in Swindon having a shrewd and brilliant team manager in Rosco and his clever signing of Musielek - motivating Morris to add nearly 2 points to his av. It all added up to a brilliant season for a team many thought would finish bottom when the team was first announced due to being too top heavy with Doyle's points. Tell you now that Poole would have been nowhere near top had they kept Holder (in my opinion). Swindon showed how it could be done but paid the price for that success at the start of this season. May still win the league again with shrewd signings and also riders riding consistently. Maybe not so dominant but should be in play offs and could well win if Wolves dominant home form doesnt spoil it for the rest of us. With Holder you could get 4/5 one week and 10/11 the next. Ultimately it would have averaged out around 7 to 8 but nothing good enough to have won the league (last season or this).