Kieran22222

The idea was to have a direct feed from the referees scorecard, as I know BSN do that and was hoping with the correct backing I would be able to use it as well, but as you say that would need support from BSPL/SCB. The main idea was to make this information and past meetings as accessible as possible as it can be found, but it is often in different places and not easy to find if you don't know. Someone new to the sport is not going to know of sites like speedway updates, but would be more likely to download an official app IMO. Also there isn't anywhere you can see a riders career history and stats, or more in depth information to learn about teams and riders.

Ah ok, so it isn't an app then, it is a shortcut to a webpage.

Sorry if I am being really stupid here, but what is it called because I can't see it on any app stores

Ah ok, that makes sense. I have always found the concept of teams being limited by averages a little weird, and imo it is part of the reason for the short term thinking in terms of rider development as it is not worth developing a rider as they improve their average and then you cant fit them in your team. It particularly affects the middle order riders or young reserves who reach a 6 or 7 average after a few years

How exactly are averages calculated. I always thought it was based on the riders programmed rides, but clearly I got that wrong if you are saying that RR rides are included

Yes licensing would be an issue if it was to be an official app, but hopefully given that there isn't one currently I am hoping the relevant people will be on board with it an help with the necessary stuff to get it approved.

I mean you wouldn't if sponsorship, attendances and TV money was at the level Poland is, but that is not the point I was making. The point I was making is if British Speedway was at the same level as Polish speedway you are not choosing 14 journeyman British riders with part time jobs over the best riders in the world

Thats how I thought it worked. Through doing some research I know BSN have a direct feed to the referees built into their website so was trying to get them to allow me to use that, but not had any luck so far, but with proof of concept I am hoping I can maybe pitch something a bit more concrete to them. I am also not worried about wasting time as I am using it to improve my skills for my career as I work as a software developer, so doing something like this will help in that regard

Again these examples you are mentioning are websites, that have their drawbacks. Speedway updates is struggling for people to provide the relevant updates and BSN is a website no matter how you dress it up and only provides meeting updates, no tables, rider history. The website layouts are no very accessible and require you to know where to look. @IainB You mentioned "Speedway Updates pretty much has this covered although even they take some of their results from the BSN site", is this someone just manually copying the results from BSN, or is it done automatically?

Anyone saying they would rather watch 14 2nd tier riders over 14 GP riders is lying. If there was Wroclaw vs Torun or Poole vs Glasgow on the same distance away from me, I am picking the first meeting everyday of the week.

I didn't think they had a mobile app, I thought they just had a website?

It is going to be a news/scores app to make is easier to follow meetings live, check results, tables, etc as there isn't really anything like that at the moment. The Polish League have one (the app is just called Ekstraliga I believe) which would be a good indication of what I am aiming for. Also the Premier League football one as well as Fotmob are other good references.

I am thinking of creating an app for British speedway as a project in my own time. I have some ideas of what could be included, but any suggestions for features/functionality would be appreciated.

I thought he only rode for Ipswich this year, unless I am going mad

This is exactly what I am getting at. You need to make it easy to stumble across as well as keeping it short enough to keep viewers engaged (not too much nothingness between heats).

Yeah agreed 14/15 clubs is a lot, so maybe starting with the premiership would be a good start. I wonder if some sort of mobile app would help as it would make it easier to track fixtures and results and keep everything contained in one place

That is for the people with the knowledge to decide, but we can't just keep blocking changes to the sport just because they cost money. People aren't just going to become fans of the sport for no reason. You need to make it easy to follow, easy to engage with, make it easier to see results and rider data so they can learn more and gain an interest in the sport. I would suggest making it free on YouTube and subsidising the cost via sponsoring of the videos. The main issue would be getting the footage itself, to edit and voice over a 25 minute YouTube video shouldn't be too difficult. Also having it on YouTube should make it accessible to a wide range of audiences and hopefully should recommend the content to fans of similar motorsports and grow an audience that way. In my opinion we are at the stage where things just need to be tried as otherwise the sport is going to slowly die.

Need to target the younger audience as the current fanbase is certainly not get any younger. I personally think a lot more can be done on social media to promote the sport. I think a highlights package for every meeting is a must and should be condensed as much as possible.

This is why I think speedway should have moved to a more football based model with riders not being able to ride for multiple different teams across the continent and being assets with contracts with their club. Riders would then have a value and it would also be worth putting the time in to develop young riders who you could then sell to the richer Polish clubs to help cover costs

How would fanbases get smaller and rents increase?

I noticed that Tom Brennan done 40 meetings in the UK, which is only just shy of the 45 he done in Poland and Sweden combined. Is there an argument that there are too many meetings in the UK and that actually less is more?

Should have proper highlights packages for every meeting. Would be 20-25 minutes. Would need to look professional with proper graphics and commentary, but IMO this is the only way you are going to get new viewers. Maybe even the creation of some introduction videos explaining the rules on the channel would help to get new viewers as well. There should also be some short form content on TikTok/Instagram regularly for top 5 heats of the week, best overtakes, etc.

What did Shroeck try to pursue?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but maybe teams should have invested all of the money into the stadiums/land/facilities and then used the increased revenue on riders, rather than just going straight for the riders. This would also have prevented a lot of the issues we are having now of teams be kicked out of their stadiums or being priced out due to the increased price of land and shrinking revenues

I dont remember them trying it if I am honest, I am probably too young. I just always wondered why they didn't try and have one team per rider, then national leagues, cup competitions and continental competitions. Would add variety, crowds would increase when a polish team came over with the better riders, more broadcast deals, etc. Maybe I am living in a fantasy land, but at the moment governing bodies are competing against each other for race nights, riders etc, rather than working together to simplify and grow the sport