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So you want to be able to identify with and support your own team, just not financially. Bottom line is Pandora's box is open. A double up rider now has circa 70-80 meetings to earn from. You take that away and allow them to only ride for one team, that's basically halving their earning potential. What happens then? Double the riders pay rates? Pass that on to the supporter? Or riders retire further watering down the product? Not good outcomes. Get rid of doubling up and the crowds flood back to pay the higher pay rates? Nice dream. Plus we all want more competitive British riders and the additional track time can only help that. And it's not exactly a new idea. I seem to recall in the good old days the top National League riders would ride at reserve for another team in the British League. Agreed the current situation is terrible but structured correctly (i.e. fixed race night for the top division and/or different format) the positives of doubling up could be retained whilst the constant guests and R/R negatives would be removed. Going back just isn't an option so a new way has to be found.

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http://www.speedway-spiller.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=23&Itemid=104 Mentioned this more than once before. 2 English 2.00 reserves who ride with/have ridden with Robert in Germany. Could they be persuaded to do 4 home and 4 away in which I think they'd both average over 2.00 enabling the Diamonds to replace them with the likes of Liam Carr once they return to being German

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Your right. I think all the new #7's named thus far average more than Danny in the NL so there's no evidence to suggest he'll outscore any of those just because he's had a full season's "championship" experience. I've mentioned the Spiller boys before, purely because they ride with Lambert in Germany. No idea of their level (Daniel seemed to do well at Eastbourne a couple of seasons ago) or if they plan to ride in the UK but the 2 point options look limited and we might need two of them. Morris' near 5 point average is too high for a reserve in a watered down league. Ideally you'd start with a 3.50 ish rider at #6 like Lewis Rose last season. Doesn't Speedway Star report that the originally intended line up was 0.01 over the 40 point limited so perhaps there's now a smidgen more points wise for the #7?

There'd have to be 0.41 reductions to fit another 2.00 to complete that team. Neither Lindgren or Kus are 0.41 less than Wells so difficult to see how that sort of line up could happen.

Couldn't agree more with you. Theoretically team racing is just a façade whereby the individuals attempt to score the most points they can to boost their earnings. The team they ride for (or are riding for on that particular day) winning as a result of this is just a bi-product of the individuals efforts to earn the maximum they can. I accept there are examples whereby team mates assist each other in terms of set up advice etc but essentially the points money system does not introduce any jeopardy to the racing. If you gate you go because that's how you earn the most money, as I understand it. (notwithstanding appearance guarantees) How about if instead of points money each heat had a monetary prize. For ease of numbers say £600 (some heats could have a higher prize value than others i.e heat 15). If a heat is drawn each team wins £300, if it's a heat win (4-2 or 5-1) the winning team gets £400 and £500 respectively the losers £200 or £100. At the end of the meeting each team shares their total prize fund split on whatever basis has been agreed. So if you're in 2nd place and your team mate was last you'd be incentivised to assist your team mate to take 3rd place as that would add an extra £100 to your teams winnings. It needs some refinement but with the added benefit that the promoters would know exactly how much would be paid out in total each meeting it's worth trialling at least. You could also score matches based on heat wins so a match could end 5-3 (i.e. in a 15 heat match with 7 drawn heats) which appears much closer than say 50-40 to the casual viewer.

Well aware that everyone starts from an old premier league average base but once you have one division stronger than the other the relative averages are not comparable. A new Premiership team which averages 39 is not necessarily worse than a Championship team that averages 48. If the 1.4 multiplier is a valid conversion then the 39 point Premiership team would be the equivalent of a 55 point Championship team. But who knows what that conversion factor should be. All we can say is that:- Premiership team strength = Championship team strength less 2.00 #7 plus Premiership 12.00 #1 (i.e. replace your junior with Chris Holder) So why didn't more teams just move up anyway? Well there wouldn't be enough riders to support a larger league with 50 point team strength it only works because of doubling up, unless you build to 41.00 points (i.e old PL standard). Plus a few old PL teams struggled to afford that standard so it appears the few win over the majority. A few old EL teams don't want to lower to PL standard so they build to 50 points and a few old PL teams cant afford PL standard so they build to 40 points, whilst the majority would be able to operate an old PL standard. Add to that some teams who might be able to afford the uplift to 50 point PL teams would now be in a different league to their local rivals and you end up with a quasi South:North split anyway.

The relative end of season averages are irrelevant. The top Championship team will have a higher team average than the bottom Premiership team because they race in a lower standard division. The 10 point differential is the equivalent of replacing the Championship 2 pointer with a Championship number 1. Any team with that sort of advantage at the start of the Championship would be a cert for the title ergo the bottom Premiership must be a cert for the relegation play off. True a struggling Premiership team might be low on confidence against other Premiership teams but given that many of the team might also ride in the Championship that may be less of an issue. Closer than its ever been but the odds are still stacked. Although if Matt Ford is telling everyone there'll be two more Premiership teams in 2018 the concept of earning your place via promotion play off is somewhat redundant.......

I don't. I support the Diamonds and Sunderland

16 teams of 7 riders each requires 112 riders (Redcar, Scunthorpe & Workington can't afford Premier League standard teams) The list I provided contains 117 riders not including any potential new foreign riders. The top 112 averages of those total 657 points so 7 man teams could be built to 41 points which is equivalent to the 2016 PL given the reduction of 3 pointers to 2 points. It could have been done but doubling up benefits the promoters and riders so its unpopularity with current supporters, the negative perception of new supporters, the fact that it has failed to deliver what it was meant to (more world class British riders) and its detrimental effect on the product is irrelevant. Too hard to put the lid back on Pandora's box.

I would image this is the likely pool of riders we'll be looking at..... Robert Lambert 8.76 Steve Worrall 8.51 Richie Worrall 8.33 Aaron Summers 8.13 Ricky Wells 7.71 Ludvig Lindgren 7.65 Matej Kus 7.55 Rene Bach 7.32 Rory Schlein 7.17 Stuart Robson 7.09 Michael Palm Toft 7.01 Lasse Bjerre 6.65 Kyle Newman 6.31 Tero Aarnio 6.24 Lewis Kerr 6.16 Lewis Rose 5.86 Victor Palovaara 5.80 Ashley Morris 4.83 Liam Carr 4.81 Robert Branford 4.60 Danny Phillips 2.00 S Worrall, L Lindgren, M Kus, L Rose, A Morris & D Phillips leaves only 3.60 for the 7th rider. I'm going to have to get used to seeing both my footie and speedway team in the inferior Championship (unless Bournemouth is a turning point )

Another half way house I guess Poole & Wolves aside none of the Elite League clubs could afford to continue at that level, whilst at Premier League level several clubs struggle to make ends meet, so an amalgamation was inevitable, be it one big league or two smaller leagues but essentially at a Premier League standard as affordable by all participating teams. So having accepted this reality why on earth do they decide to implement a 10 point difference between the two leagues!? Thereby reinstalling the potential that some of the Premiership (Div 1) clubs will find it unaffordable, rendering the promotion/relegation concept redundant, yet more average ambiguity and ensuring the continued use of extensive doubling up. Resulting in essentially a Premier League plus (Premiership) and a Premier League Lite (Championship) offering, when most of the clubs would have been able to sustain a Premier League standard product. Those that can't should seek to join the National League. The Doubling Up free for all has had a negative impact on the sport in the UK. Aside from the inevitable fixture clashes and the concept of being in more than one team diminishing the credibility of the sport it also impacts on the fairness of competition between those who Dup and those who don't. Some riders have twice the earnings of others and inevitably work with a much higher budget. Surely a Premier League standard product for the 16 most "affluent" teams with no doubling up would have been more desirable to the public, even if that meant two or three sgp stars would be excluded. If two leagues were preferable then a smaller 2.50 differential between team building could have worked. I think there are potentially 96 riders from last season excluding sgp riders. So adding a handful of 2.00 pointers and new foreign riders their would be enough for 16 Premier League standard teams. Whilst a total lack of top level competition in this country is regrettable it is not really being offered by the new Premiership either, bar 2 or 3 sgp riders. Another missed opportunity Craig Cook 9.88 Danny King 9.57 Eddie Kennett 9.27 Scott Nicholls 9.23 Brady Kurtz 9.22 Chris Harris 9.21 Rohan Tungate 9.03 Nick Morris 8.97 Josh Grajczonek 8.90 Sam Masters 8.88 Robert Lambert 8.76 Jason Garrity 8.55 Lewis Bridger 8.53 Steve Worrall 8.51 Simon Stead 8.39 Richie Worrall 8.33 Richard Lawson 8.17 Aaron Summers 8.13 Kevin Wolbert 8.09 Ben Barker 7.91 Adam Ellis 7.84 Ricky Wells 7.71 Ludvig Lindgren 7.65 David Bellego 7.63 Justin Sedgmen 7.60 Davey Watt 7.56 Matej Kus 7.55 Nico Covatti 7.49 Thomas Jorgensen 7.45 Troy Batchelor 7.36 Rene Bach 7.32 Ulrich Ostergaard 7.23 Ryan Douglas 7.18 Kyle Howarth 7.18 Rory Schlein 7.17 Jack Holder 7.16 Josh Auty 7.10 Stuart Robson 7.09 Michael Palm Toft 7.01 Kevin Doolan 6.99 Nikolaj Busk Jacobsen 6.98 Dimitri Berge 6.91 Hugh Skidmore 6.84 Erik Riss 6.78 Claus Vissing 6.76 Lasse Bjerre 6.65 Paul Starke 6.62 Charles Wright 6.59 Nickolas Porsing 6.58 Jonas B Andersen 6.32 Kyle Newman 6.31 Kenneth Hansen 6.25 Tero Aarnio 6.24 Theo Pijper 6.16 Lewis Kerr 6.16 Rasmus Jensen 6.14 Carl Wilkinson 6.12 Jake Allen 5.96 Lewis Rose 5.86 James Sarjeant 5.80 Victor Palovaara 5.80 Todd Kurtz 5.76 Matthew Wethers 5.65 Stefan Nielsen 5.53 Nicolai Klindt 5.42 Alex Davies 5.41 Joe Jacobs 5.36 Simon Lambert 5.25 Kasper Lykke Nielsen 5.16 Steve Boxall 5.15 Kai Huckenbeck 5.14 Robert Mear 5.11 Zdenek Simota 5.09 Cameron Heeps 5.07 Adam Roynon 5.05 Josh Bates 5.02 Bradley Wilson Dean 5.02 Daniel Gappmaier 5.00 Mark Riss 5.00 Tobias Busch 5.00 Jye Etheridge 5.00 Fritz Wallner 5.00 Nike Lunna 4.86 Ashley Morris 4.83 Liam Carr 4.81 Robert Branford 4.60 Emil Grondal 4.58 Leigh Lanham 4.34 Fernando Garcia 4.23 Max Clegg 4.04 Dan Bewley 4.00 Ben Morley 3.85 Arthur Sissis 3.79 Tom Perry 3.76 Matt Williamson 3.76 Danny Ayres 3.56 Danyon Hume 2.00 Darryl Richings 2.00 Danny Phillips 2.00 Daniel Halsey 2.00 Tom Stokes 2.00 Ellis Perks 2.00 Lee Payne 2.00 Josh Bailey 2.00 Nathan Greaves 2.00 Zach Wajknecht 2.00 Tom Bacon 2.00 Jack Parkinson-Blackburn 2.00 Jack Smith 2.00 Rob Shuttleworth 2.00 Dan Greenwood 2.00 Luke Chessell 2.00 Jake Knight 2.00 Georgie Wood 2.00 James Shanes 2.00 Connor Coles 2.00 Connor Mountain 2.00

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