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Maybe he was trying to cheer himself up.

I've never been warned. It's because I'm a squeaky clean do-gooder.

What a great meeting. Excellent racing.

Which is the best track you have been to? Belle Vue, Hyde Road. Current track would be Sheffield. Which is the worst track you have been to? Oxford in the 80s when meetings were getting called off in dry weather. Which has the best food you have tasted? Sheffield. Which has the worst food you have tasted? Swindon's home straight burgers. (The ones from the van are decent enough) In terms of facility's ie toilets, seating, access which is the best place you have visited and worst? Wimbledon. The only time I was ever actually impressed with a speedway stadium toilet. Worst was Cradley Heath. They were like the famous Swindon back straight ones, but without a roof.

It could have been Ivan Mauger. I'm sure I remember reading that about him. I believe he also kept notes on referees, such as how long they held the tapes after the green light, who they tended to exclude if a rider came off and laid on the track, stuff like that.

I remember Finn Thomsen scoring about 21 for Wolves at Swindon, and Wolves winning. I can't remember the exact score and exact result, but it could be another case of that.

Possibly the John Davis situation in 1975. He signed for Reading, so Oxford could use a guest for him. So they used John Davis as a guest for himself.

Don't forget, also, that Harris is in there partly because a few riders decided not to be. And he can't be blamed for that. Don't forget, also, that Harris is in there partly because a few riders decided not to be. And he can't be blamed for that.

It's true. There's always those who shouldn't be there. Last year it was Woffinden. Smolinski this year. It devalues the whole thing.

Wow. Amazing final. Amazing result. Speedway at its best.

I feel Troy's pain there. Ouch.

British speedway wouldn't help out Nick Morris either so they lost him to Australia. So we could have had two talents young riders in our side but we alienated them both. Maybe it's not just down to the riders.

Joe Owen was always the king of the NL. I remember it was a big deal to sign the top NL rider to join you in the British League. I can think of a couple of times we did it at Swindon. Signing Andrew Silver was a revelation. He may not have grown into the very top international rider that he could have, but in terms of entertainment, style and sheer coolness he was one of our best ever. Mike Ferriera was another, who was top of the NL averages, but never quite lived up to what was expected of him once we signed him.

Thanks for that. I've updated the clip to Youtube. hope you don't mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CBV85829lY&feature=youtu.be That clip is actually not as conclusive as the original footage. From that it looks like there is no contact, but it is in slow motion and you can't see the bump when Penhall takes his handlebars. Good to find it at last though.

As I said before. The contact was there and can be seen on the same view as originally shown on itv. It was Penhal's back wheel and Carter's left handlebar. And it was that which made Carter fall. those who say there was no contact just haven't seen it yet.

So play that version then. That's the Heart fm thing that they like to do - play original versions of songs that have been recently covered.

Funny thing is i'd say the first song is more suitable.

Very true. Another issue that needs sorting out.

Why the talk of people in the 50+ bracket wanting old fashioned presentation? I'm over 50. If asked I'd probably say that my favourite band of all time is Rush. I remember at school I had a period when I was in to Emerson Lake and Palmer. So do I think they should play ELP and Rush at speedway meetings? Hell no! The music needs to be current. Dj mixes or even just current chart music. Not rock or heavy metal. It's too intrusive. When I attended in the 70s the music was current. Now, 40 years on, sometimes it feels like they play the same stuff, but it's now 40 years old. If that includes, say, black music that some folk don't like, that's too bad. Who knows. You might get some more black people in if the music suits them. Just keep it modern. It's so important. Even if it's only subconciously, it has an effect.

The music should be up tempo modern dance music. It keeps an atmosphere going, and even the older generation can be seen tapping their feet and swaying from side to side with their hands in their anorak pockets when it's on. And, as someone else said, for heaven's sake put the phone to the ref back by the start line and get rid of this rubbish that only a team manager can talk to the ref. If one of the opposition is excluded he should be running across the centre green, arguing with the ref in full view of the crowd, and getting booed by the opposition supporters. Goes without saying.

If he is applying for British Citizenship and taking the Life in the UK test then fine. Only if he becomes properly British though. I wouldn't agree with it if it's just down to racing licences.

I must admit, the more of this thread i read, the more sympathy I have with the protesting family as it's clear a lot of speedway folk don't give a toss if they upset other people.

Don't you see? That is precisely the type of attitude thst gets tracks shut down.

I don't know the ins ad outs of everything, but the couple involved are saying noise was going on at the stadium until 3am, and they tried to solve it amicably but couldn't. So, if that is how it was then maybe you have to have some sympathy with them as there may be more to this than just speedway noise.

Dave Lanning was certainly correct when he said in his commentary that it was something that would be talked about until time runs out in speedway. I do think the point of contact is relevant, by the way, as many people have long argued that there was no contact between the two but there was.