Bald Bloke Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Crump99 said: The I know the real truth story is getting a bit tiresome though. Either post the facts, as you understand them or give it a rest, said in the nicest possible way. CJ has been a yo-yo for years and you seem to think that him making decisions is a plus. I'm not sure how many Panthers fans feel the same? I don't pretend to know everything. I only know what i have been told by someone very credible and close, on some things, not everything by a long way.. Guess i'll have to shut up in the nicest possible way then.. Until Buster actually says what went wrong with the Tomlin deal, why he has been so negative on our future during 2023 (although I understand if it's not to upset AEPG as Bratters says), or why here at the end of 2022, at 1.01 he say that Panthers could have another few seasons at the EoES ? https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1285189478916248 then the jury is out and will remain so. True, and would love to hear it as well.. My guess, and this is a guess, is that Holdergate had something to do with it falling apart early on. Regarding the vid. Maybe Buster thought/hoped there was a chance at the time he said it that something might be able be worked out. I really don't know.. With all these objections going in, it wouldn't surprise me if something might happen, but i suspect the offer, if made, might be ridiculous, and rent related. Making it not viable anyway. But they can say they tried but the sport is not viable. Yes he's providing a good ending, and credit for that, but the emphasis very much on ending with others fighting for the club and energising the fans to get active. Surely even a die-hard Buster fan such as yourself can see that there are some questions to answer? Thank you . A little bit of credit, is better than what he has had from most on here all season. That's why i have been supportive of him. Some of the stuff is undeserved imho.. It's not been easy for him this season, with both promoters leaving for different reasons. He was as good as retired, then had all this put on him. I don't know what if any part he has in trying to save the Panthers if any.. If i was in his shoes i would of shut the doors when CJ jacked after the poo he was getting. 13 minutes ago, Crump99 said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleasureboy60 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Hope I'm wrong, but I think tomorrow maybe our last match. The Kings Lynn match is meaningless and won't affect the final league positions. It will also save Buster a shed load of money if it isn't run. What are the speedway authorities going to do if its not ridden ? No good fining Peterborough as they will be defunct after tomorrow ! Edited September 10, 2023 by pleasureboy60 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, pleasureboy60 said: Hope I'm wrong, but I think tomorrow maybe our last match. The Kings Lynn match is meaningless and won't affect the final league positions. It will also save Buster a shed load of money if it isn't run. What are the speedway authorities going to do if its not ridden ? No good fining Peterborough as they will be defunct after tomorrow ! I hope your wrong as well. Buster is going to have to take the hit, and run the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, pleasureboy60 said: Hope I'm wrong, but I think tomorrow maybe our last match. The Kings Lynn match is meaningless and won't affect the final league positions. It will also save Buster a shed load of money if it isn't run. What are the speedway authorities going to do if its not ridden ? No good fining Peterborough as they will be defunct after tomorrow ! I wasn't planning on going tomorrow (Canary Wharf - Business Lunch), but I might have to do it now. I think you might be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleasureboy60 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: I hope your wrong as well. Buster is going to have to take the hit, and run the meeting. Buster is past caring now! My feeling is he will forfeit the Lynn match for a small fine from the Speedway authorities. Cheaper than paying riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pleasureboy60 said: Buster is past caring now! My feeling is he will forfeit the Lynn match for a small fine from the Speedway authorities. Cheaper than paying riders. Surely he wouldn't do that to your fans . If he does then he deserves everything he gets. And i hope if it leads to a fine, and it will be an appropriate one under the circumstances. Edited September 10, 2023 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 Can't see any reason Buster would not want to run it Potentially the last ever meeting at The Showground and will surely attract a huge huge attendance The takings will far outweigh the outgoings even though paying both teams 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BassoRacingFan said: I wasn't planning on going tomorrow (Canary Wharf - Business Lunch), but I might have to do it now. I think you might be right. I applause your dedication. Work from home tomorrow mate. Edited September 10, 2023 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitch Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 See link below for the Preview for the Wolves meeting. Rob Lyon clearly says we have two remaining meetings and the date for the Kings Lynn meeting will be released shortly. http://www.peterborough-speedway.com/_mobile/news.php?extend.4251&fbclid=IwAR3oUBjaNlFAV73YtjiafG30XAC3EFatNoyxEGYypV7rV5uUjExdenX_VtQ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleasureboy60 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: I applause your dedication. Work from home tomorrow mate. This is what Peterborough Speedway is all about ! It's in the blood and I for one am going to miss it so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 Club press release saying penultimate meeting, the club needs to fight this with the fans and not lay down and die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, pleasureboy60 said: This is what Peterborough Speedway is all about ! It's in the blood and I for one am going to miss it so much. As a Bees fan, I can say with all honesty, that we all feel for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: but i suspect the offer, if made, might be ridiculous, and rent related. Making it not viable anyway. But they can say they tried but the sport is not viable. I think that you're right and that is something that we've got to argue against. AEPG will argue that the site is underused now that they've mugged everybody off and they never used the site to its full potential anyway. I'm sure that when the East of England Agricultural Society got in to bed with AEPG they didn't expect their legacy to be a toxic one, which is something different from that which the developer try to sell on their tin: "we leave a legacy of which all parties can be proud" - Peterborough City Council will never get over, be forgiven, or be proud getting rid of Peterborough Speedway from the city. As for the rent though, because we're inconvenient, they've wrecked the EoES and don't want to offer any help, especially financial (ie subsidise a community facility) their strategy allegedly will be for a break even rent which is clearly ridiculous. However, that does not get them out of their responsibilities under LP30. Hopefully PCC don't buy the guff that AEPG may have submitted to already (and we've yet to see I'm believe) to get them out of their responsibilities. It's worrying that Butterfield is quoted as saying: “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” - when nothing has been approved. Peterborough Speedway in not moving anywhere if the planning is rejected and PCC are not hoodwinked over LP30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleasureboy60 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Crump99 said: I think that you're right and that is something that we've got to argue against. AEPG will argue that the site is underused now that they've mugged everybody off and they never used the site to its full potential anyway. I'm sure that when the East of England Agricultural Society got in to bed with AEPG they didn't expect their legacy to be a toxic one, which is something different from that which the developer try to sell on their tin: "we leave a legacy of which all parties can be proud" - Peterborough City Council will never get over, be forgiven, or be proud getting rid of Peterborough Speedway from the city. As for the rent though, because we're inconvenient, they've wrecked the EoES and don't want to offer any help, especially financial (ie subsidise a community facility) their strategy allegedly will be for a break even rent which is clearly ridiculous. However, that does not get them out of their responsibilities under LP30. Hopefully PCC don't buy the guff that AEPG may have submitted to already (and we've yet to see I'm believe) to get them out of their responsibilities. It's worrying that Butterfield is quoted as saying: “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” - when nothing has been approved. Peterborough Speedway in not moving anywhere if the planning is rejected and PCC are not hoodwinked over LP30. If by some miracle, planning application is refused and speedway is allowed to carry on. I can imagine AEPG will hike up the rent for the track to a level whereby we can't afford it. I don't trust them an inch and if they don't get their own way, ie planning permission, then I imagine there will be some angry shareholders looking to blame speedway as the bad guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Flappy said: Club press release saying penultimate meeting, the club needs to fight this with the fans and not lay down and die I do wish they wouldn't sell it like that, that's very very irritating and not needed. Everyone knows what's going on and most fans and others are fighting against that. If we have to suffer the last ever PR for Kings Lynn I don't think I'll bother. A speedway requiem isn't my idea of fun night. It's like watching Jason Crump riding for Kings Lynn or Ipswich which I never did either. Edited September 10, 2023 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Crump99 said: I do wish they wouldn't sell it like that, that's very very irritating and not needed. Everyone knows what's going on and most fans and others are fighting against that. If we have to suffer the last ever PR for Kings Lynn I don't think I'll bother. A speedway requiem isn't my idea of fun night. It's like watching Jason Crump riding for Kings Lynn or Ipswich which I never did either. For once we agree - made me feel sick seeing Crump in a Witches racesuit too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 Just now, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: For once we agree - made me feel sick seeing Crump in a Witches racesuit too You didn't get Jason Crump though, that was only an imitation of the real thing who graced the EoES on Friday evenings in the red and black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Crump99 said: You didn't get Jason Crump though, that was only an imitation of the real thing who graced the EoES on Friday evenings in the red and black True and I liked him even less 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, Flappy said: Club press release saying penultimate meeting, the club needs to fight this with the fans and not lay down and die They're scared to say anything in case the lights are turned off. That's what was said on Thursday. Ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 10, 2023 Report Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, pleasureboy60 said: If by some miracle, planning application is refused and speedway is allowed to carry on. I can imagine AEPG will hike up the rent for the track to a level whereby we can't afford it. I don't trust them an inch and if they don't get their own way, ie planning permission, then I imagine there will be some angry shareholders looking to blame speedway as the bad guys It could certainly start a house of cards because "the sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval"; AEPG are only the current promoter contracted by the East of England Agricultural society so that could go sour; and Peterborough City Council could be stung by the opposition to this unwanted/unpopular development and decide against a concrete jungle in favour of a proper culture, leisure, tourism and community facility for the city and its population that they are rumoured to represent. Edited September 10, 2023 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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