False dawn

I kind of get what you're saying. But the 1,2 partnership gave Leicester an 18 point advantage. That sort of scoring differential if massive, regardless of when in the meeting it's accrued.

That would cost you. The going rate is somewhere north of 1000 Bitcoin 😜

Don't worry Norbold. The local authorities are looking into it. If they don't sort it out, try speaking to your local MP 🤪 It's like going back a quarter of century, eh?

You're not wrong. And the 3 of us are still posting the odd reply. Very odd, some might say. P.S. It's Fd. It's the time of day, not a girl's name 😇

Not sure what's happening with the live updates site but there seem to be some on the BSPL site

I joined in 2003. It was bunch of serious fans that debated issues with respect. We didn't always agree, but we developed our point of view without attacking the poster. I gained a lot of new friends back then, all over the UK and in OZ. We met at the British Final and Cardiff and some of them are friends to this day. I raced in Oz, twice, and met many forum friends there who I hold dear to this day. I've always been pleased to share views with other long standing fans and to learn from their experience. Not to mention having a good laugh along the way. This is a happy place for me (on the whole) and long may it be so. Thank you Phil for your foresight and inspiration, not to mention your continued support for this long standing home for British speedway debate.

I must admit that I'm not convinced about the awarding of WC points as part of qualifying. However, when I read in the Speedway Star this week that it is mathematically possible for the championship to be decided in the afternoon at Torun in front of a few hundred fans, it did give me pause for thought. It might not even be on TV. At the very least I think there should not be a sprint race at the final round. What's the general consensus?

Thanks stewmac. I guess there are a lot like us in that we have TNT and can therefore watch the GP but have no access to practice/sprint race. Most frustrating.

I did. 😕 Good job I'm a big Dan Thompson fan. Him apart, it was a hard watch. And Leicester is only my adopted team while we get Brandon reopened. Ryan Douglas showed flashes. If there was any criticism he was trying too hard. Nick Morris was nowhere. Given some of his recent results it was very disappointing Drew Kemp looked brilliant in one ride and then packed up at the back (again) in another. Sam Masters has been below par all year and this continued that trend. Kyle Howarth started like he was going to be the hoped for secret weapon. Joe Thompson - steady In contrast every member of the BV team performed at the top of their game. On a good day, Leicester would not have won. But this defeat was shameful.

I should the previous messages more carefully 🤪

It is Adam Ellis then!

I agree about BSN, especially as I've bought a season pass. But I am pleased to say that I bought the stream and enjoyed the conclusion of this 2 leg semi final. It was a bit strange to see riders you'd expect to see scoring a few points, top scoring and established heat leaders really struggling. But that added to the drama. Some out-and-out committed riding in a "true" knock out competition. Well done to both sides on both nights. A real racing competition.

It will be what it is... I stopped taking too much notice of forecasts when they started putting "weather permitting" in the small print.

Be aware.... If you want to see practice and the sprint race on Friday you'll need a free ticket: https://mpv.tickets.com/schedule/?agency=BVMS_MPV&orgid=53193#/sales_groups;salesGroupType=ACCOUNT_PROTECTED Also..... Practice starts at 2:00 p.m. but the parking at St Peter's school does not open till 4:30 p.m. I queried this with BV and they recommend the park and ride. They did offer to refund my St Peter's booking.

And Bartosz came all that way for nothing 🤪

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/38759838/emma-louise-jones-presenter-tnt-sports-speedway/ She appears to have all the right attributes 😁

So in the league section of the KO Cup, T/S rides aren't allowed. But an aggregate point is awarded. So isn't this a two leg competition just like it is in the knock out part of the competition? Just saying.

As it turned out it was gate 1 and gate 4 to some extent that turned out to be difficult. My perennial complaint is why don't the track staff fix it? Back in the day we had a man or men with rakes on the start line that would fix any obvious problems. Oh I know that there was always accusations of doctoring the gates for the next race in favour of the home team. But if one gate was deep or slick, at least with some attention this could be improved. Uneven gates are annoying especially in key heats (13,15 and especially any super heat).

There seems to be a contradiction in what you say. If gate 3 was a graveyard on Monday (and yes it was, not a single win) the riders obviously didn't get used to it.

How do you know. Have they tossed for gates already?

You could be right. I thought the 8 day rule would prevent him riding for BV at the NSS next Monday. But I checked and the 8 day rule doesn't apply if the guest is replacing the number 1.

Would have been a bu**er if all 3 had been rained off

Well I enjoyed it. It was great to relive some of those old memories of clashes between the two sides. Dan Thompson and Jody Scott put on a great show for the Bees as well as Bomber's usual 100% showing. Sam Masters was untouchable for the home side and it was great to see Erik Riss back to the sort of form we all know he's capable of. Thank you Oxford for putting this on. The Bees ain't dead yet.