Panther1997 Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) Ben Cook isn't the problem, its our number 3 and 4 and the lack of a number 1 which are the major concerns. Basso clearly isnt at the level he was last season and we are suffering for it. So far this season Worrall, Iversen and Basso are the ones who are averaging under their averages. Starting Averages in brackets NKI (7.59) 6.97 to 6.29 Basso (6.81) 6.61 to 5.04 Worrall (6.15) 6.27 to 6.11 Andersen (4.93) 5.19 to 5.67 Cook (4.06) 4.06 to 4.17 Jenkins (3.00) 3.00 to 4.00 I really like Basso and don't want to see him leave but he really does need to start being the rider we saw in 2022. Edited May 2, 2023 by Panther1997 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, TTT said: Which would be a plus, I'm at the point now where we simply have to do everything possible to try and win at least one meeting. Going out losing every single meeting this season with no chance to put things right is the worst exit imaginable. That's why I'm fully with you on the Ben Cook take, Play-offs are gone already and it's all about stopping the losing streak now and for me we'd have a better chance at stopping the losing streak with Hans Andersen at No.6 rather than Ben Cook knowing that we can give Hans 7 rides at Home as well as technical tracks. You will beat us. I can't see Buster giving you KK, not now. I'd be surprised if the Stars ship out KK and Klindt for Cookie and Max. Both teams are struggling i know. While i think it's time Buster/Allit put their beloved Lynn first, i think Max will end up at the Showground. We will replace KK with someone on a 6 point something, and keep Klindt imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tommy Sweetman said: Even at reserve don't think Hans will ever get the scores around the Showground than he gets around Monmore.Pity we couldn't fit him into the lineup,not really sure if his average would have fit if we had kept Morris instead of Schlein. If Wolves had kept Morris then yes they could have signed Andersen with a team total of 38.96. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Panther1997 said: Ben Cook isn't the problem, its our number 3 and 4 and the lack of a number 1 which are the major concerns. Basso clearly isnt at the level he was last season and we are suffering for it. So far this season Worrall, Iversen and Basso are the ones who are averaging under their averages. NKI 6.97 to 6.29 Basso 6.61 to 5.04 Worrall 6.27 to 6.11 Andersen 5.19 to 5.67 Cook 4.06 to 4.17 Jenkins 3.00 to 4.00 I really like Basso and don't want to see him leave but he really does need to start being the rider we saw in 2022. Basso has gone down 1.5 points? That is pretty drastic tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther1997 Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, lisa-colette said: Basso has gone down 1.5 points? That is pretty drastic tbf. He started the season at 6.81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW436 Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 Basso’s gating is what let’s him down, he then ends up at the back and it’s either back to 1st or in the air fence, he kept Sayfutdinov and Doyle behind on two separate occasions when he made a gate at the start of the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, B.V 72 said: If Wolves had kept Morris then yes they could have signed Andersen with a team total of 38.96. Then Wolves would have been virtually unbeatable around Monmore, and in the process picking up a lot of valuable aggregate points. Honestly can't see why CVS and Adams haven't included Hans in years gone by.Ever since he came to these shores,he's nearly always been a double figure rider around the Green. Edited May 2, 2023 by Tommy Sweetman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Panther1997 said: Ben Cook isn't the problem, its our number 3 and 4 and the lack of a number 1 which are the major concerns. Basso clearly isnt at the level he was last season and we are suffering for it. So far this season Worrall, Iversen and Basso are the ones who are averaging under their averages. NKI 6.97 to 6.29 Basso 6.61 to 5.04 Worrall 6.27 to 6.11 Andersen 5.19 to 5.67 Cook 4.06 to 4.17 Jenkins 3.00 to 4.00 I really like Basso and don't want to see him leave but he really does need to start being the rider we saw in 2022. Is that in all competitions, or just league matches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Panther1997 said: He started the season at 6.81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther1997 Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Bald Bloke said: Is that in all competitions, or just league matches? We got a bye in the cup so all league meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Panther1997 said: We got a bye in the cup so all league meetings Thanks Here's a few from Lynn (all comps) Klindt 7.39 to 4.38 TJ 6.35 to 5.68 MPT 6.86 to 5.09 KK away is 2.40 Same boat as you. It will be interesting how riders pan out. Both need a re think for me. NK, MPT and KK are our problems. I think KK will go and the rest will be given time. Having said that i'd be happy to bag Max and Cookie Edited May 2, 2023 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted May 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Panther1997 said: Ben Cook isn't the problem, its our number 3 and 4 and the lack of a number 1 which are the major concerns. Basso clearly isnt at the level he was last season and we are suffering for it. So far this season Worrall, Iversen and Basso are the ones who are averaging under their averages. Starting Averages in brackets NKI (7.59) 6.97 to 6.29 Basso (6.81) 6.61 to 5.04 Worrall (6.15) 6.27 to 6.11 Andersen (4.93) 5.19 to 5.67 Cook (4.06) 4.06 to 4.17 Jenkins (3.00) 3.00 to 4.00 I really like Basso and don't want to see him leave but he really does need to start being the rider we saw in 2022. Ben Cook isn't the problem but is a part of the problem. As Rob Lyon said Basso is going through second season syndrome for Peterborough anyway but I'd still be moving on Worrall, and Cook before him. Edited May 2, 2023 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Panther1997 said: Ben Cook isn't the problem, its our number 3 and 4 and the lack of a number 1 which are the major concerns. Basso clearly isnt at the level he was last season and we are suffering for it. So far this season Worrall, Iversen and Basso are the ones who are averaging under their averages. Starting Averages in brackets NKI (7.59) 6.97 to 6.29 Basso (6.81) 6.61 to 5.04 Worrall (6.15) 6.27 to 6.11 Andersen (4.93) 5.19 to 5.67 Cook (4.06) 4.06 to 4.17 Jenkins (3.00) 3.00 to 4.00 I really like Basso and don't want to see him leave but he really does need to start being the rider we saw in 2022. Now you've started it ; there will be 3 pages of get Basso out now to come afterall why are Peterborough developing him for Glasgows benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) So NKI qualified from his Sec qualifier ,but looking at the riders who didnt qualify apart from Hampel and Bellego they were mostly unknowns in the UK Edited May 2, 2023 by scoobydoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismorton Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 Iversen has been crap for us so far also... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Now you've started it ; there will be 3 pages of get Basso out now to come afterall why are Peterborough developing him for Glasgows benefit Haha good point! It's a lame excuse tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 I agree that other riders aren't performing to expectations. It's just with Ben Cook all we're doing is developing a rider for a club like Sheffield (Example) to reap all of the rewards in the future whilst we don't get anything out of the deal at all other than 3/4 point returns most weeks due to the rider not having enough experience on Prem tracks. It just doesn't make any sense to me when you could have someone like Craig Cook who'd consistently get at least 7+ points from reserve every week that'll actually benefit our club this year. I'd have a different stance on Ben Cook if we were coming to tapes in 2024 with Ben Cook in our 1-7 because then we'd get to reap the rewards going forward that would benefit our club from 2024 onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 As for Basso it's no surprise to see him struggling now after everything that's gone on from Nicki's walkout all the way down to being asked to partner Richie Worrall in the engine room. Richie can't win races consistently at this level, He even struggles to get 2nd places most weeks so expecting Basso to become a solid HL in his second Premiership season is just to much pressure for the young dane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, TTT said: I agree that other riders aren't performing to expectations. It's just with Ben Cook all we're doing is developing a rider for a club like Sheffield (Example) to reap all of the rewards in the future whilst we don't get anything out of the deal at all other than 3/4 point returns most weeks due to the rider not having enough experience on Prem tracks. It just doesn't make any sense to me when you could have someone like Craig Cook who'd consistently get at least 7+ points from reserve every week that'll actually benefit our club this year. I'd have a different stance on Ben Cook if we were coming to tapes in 2024 with Ben Cook in our 1-7 because then we'd get to reap the rewards going forward that would benefit our club from 2024 onwards. You knew all this before the season started, so why sign him in the first place? Also Poole could move back up in 2024 so you wouldn't have him anyway. Edited May 2, 2023 by lisa-colette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted May 2, 2023 Report Share Posted May 2, 2023 Just now, lisa-colette said: You knew all this before the season started, so why sign him in the first place? Good question, Like most other decisions made over the winter, It just doesn't make any sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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