KL Stars vs L Lions - KO Cup Final 1st Leg - Mon 28th July

[Bagpuss]

13 minutes ago, tellboy said:

8+2 way back in May,from 6 rides was when he last rode there.

I think he'd fallen that week and hurt his neck from memory. I would expect a fully fit and in-the-groove Nicolai to score several more than that tomorrow.

[Roger Jacobs]

22 hours ago, therefused said:

I know it’s a cup final and you want to see the best riders but if both teams are missing riders of similar averages maybe there is a discussion for a number 8/junior being promoted for the meeting instead of guests 

Similar averages?!

Cook's GSA: 6.02  6 matches in 2025: 22 rides 22 points = 4.00  + 3 BP = 4.55

Becker's GSA: 7.51  9 matches in 2025: 39 rides 68 points = 6.44  + 7 BP = 7.69

Becker is the Leicester #2 by GSA, Cook is the King's Lynn #5 ...

[StarBoy]

36 minutes ago, 1 valve said:

Well last time around Leicester a few weeks ago riding at 6 he managed 7 points from 7 rides. Guess that’s an off meeting - Stars fans pinning a lot on a greatly improved performance this time around. 

We didn’t have Klindt at the beginning of July, he was riding in Poland. Z Cook was at reserve…

[Roger Jacobs]

9 hours ago, False dawn said:

Always assuming of course that Nicolai has a good night. 🤔

Aside from all that, the point about having an in-form reserve is using him to fill gaps:

i.e. at KL:  Kvech against Ipswich in the Cup was able to take two of Boughen's rides and also Heat 15, while in the first Prem meeting took three R/R rides.  In the second Prem meeting, Klindt took reserve rides in place of Scott & SLambert, plus an R/R, while the in-form Kvech was able to take an R/R and a T/S for the R/R (if they hadn't been 6 down, Klindt would have taken another R/R).
at Ipswich in the Cup: Klindt only had 6 rides, a reserve in place of Harrison and an R/R (filling a gap).

However, against Leicester: there weren't any gaps to fill (R/R or T/S) ... for Klindt to have seven rides, it needed other riders to be off form, so his extra points made little or no difference - other than avoiding a defeat.

[Roger Jacobs]

20 minutes ago, StarBoy said:

We didn’t have Klindt at the beginning of July, he was riding in Poland. Z Cook was at reserve…

In May Klindt scored 8+2 from 6 (3 R/R rides, but T/Sd by Kvech). The Leicester riders he defeated were: Kemp and Thompson.

[Teromaafan]

Just casting my mind back to the last time Lions reached the final of this competition in 1975 against Belle Vue. I remember the first leg being at Blackbird Road which the Lions lost 40-38. Even as a boy I knew it was all over as nobody ever won at Belle Vue. Seem to recall that the Aces were spearheaded by Collins and Morton with Sjosten and Wilkinson in support. Is my memory correct? Can’t remember the score in the return leg but I think we kept the Aces below 50.

[Teromaafan]

All these posts are hanging on Klindt getting seven rides, which smacks of desperation on Lynn’s part. He could quite possibly rack up 20 points but the Stars will still fall short. How often do teams win a two legged final without winning at home?

[tellboy]

Is NKI riding,I see a post on Facebook that his team in Sweden used RR for him.Don't know if this is true.

[therefused]

36 minutes ago, Teromaafan said:

All these posts are hanging on Klindt getting seven rides, which smacks of desperation on Lynn’s part. He could quite possibly rack up 20 points but the Stars will still fall short. How often do teams win a two legged final without winning at home?

Is it desperation or how the team is built? No one ever mentions when top riders have 5/6 rides in a meeting 

[Bagpuss]

10 minutes ago, tellboy said:

Is NKI riding,I see a post on Facebook that his team in Sweden used RR for him.Don't know if this is true.

Yep looks like it was R/R for him tonight. Doesn't necessarily mean he was injured as not all riders seem to ride over there every time but perhaps he's had a reoccurrence.

37 minutes ago, Teromaafan said:

All these posts are hanging on Klindt getting seven rides, which smacks of desperation on Lynn’s part. He could quite possibly rack up 20 points but the Stars will still fall short. How often do teams win a two legged final without winning at home?

How is it desperation? He is Lynn's form rider and is able to have seven rides at reserve so would be daft not to use him the maximum number of times if possible. But as people have said we need others to score well too.

For the umpteenth time this team is built on a strong reserve.

[Teromaafan]

5 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Yep looks like it was R/R for him tonight. Doesn't necessarily mean he was injured as not all riders seem to ride over there every time but perhaps he's had a reoccurrence.

How is it desperation? He is Lynn's form rider and is able to have seven rides at reserve so would be daft not to use him the maximum number of times if possible. But as people have said we need others to score well too.

For the umpteenth time this team is built on a strong reserve.

The team is built to have a strong reserve my a*se 😂, sorry but that is not what how it was planned! Let’s face it, they could not attract good enough riders to provide a decent heat leader spearhead. Lynn have a team of six pointers on a merry-go-round who take it in turns to be at reserve, number one and all positions in between. Based on your wording, they started with a six pointer at reserve and then picked five others above this average to build a team. Having a reserve that you can look to for additional rides is a reflection on how poorly the riders in the main body of the team are performing. That’s okay on the night, but to see it as a tactical option on a regular basis just shows that, yes, it is actually desperation! Okay, put my opinion to one side and look at where Lynn will finish in a league of seven teams.

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, Teromaafan said:

The team is built to have a strong reserve my a*se 😂, sorry but that is not what how it was planned! Let’s face it, they could not attract good enough riders to provide a decent heat leader spearhead. Lynn have a team of six pointers on a merry-go-round who take it in turns to be at reserve, number one and all positions in between. Based on your wording, they started with a six pointer at reserve and then picked five others above this average to build a team. Having a reserve that you can look to for additional rides is a reflection on how poorly the riders in the main body of the team are performing. That’s okay on the night, but to see it as a tactical option on a regular basis just shows that, yes, it is actually desperation! Okay, put my opinion to one side and look at where Lynn will finish in a league of seven teams.

Wether the plan was for a strong reserve or wether that happened because they couldn't find a top heat leader doesn't change the fact Lynn should have the top reserve in the league.

Why wouldn't Lynn want to give an in-form rider as many races as possible? May not be necessary if the top 5 ride well, but I can't see how that can be considered desperation! Is it desperation when Belle Vue use Bewley & Kurtz in heat 15 or give them tac sub rides (replacing a reserve)? Of course not, just using their best riders as often as possible, just like Lynn would do!

It is also possible Klindt would get extra rides even when the top 5 are doing their job, just because he's going better & getting extra rides, wouldn't automatically mean they are riding badly.

[szkocjasid]

7 hours ago, FishersGate said:

Based on how we are talking so much about Klindt really shows that if Klindt doesn't score well then Kings Lynn don't have a chance of winning.

I think Lynn need virtually all their riders to ride well to win, but Klindt is the most important because he can take the most rides.

[szkocjasid]

8 hours ago, StarBoy said:

I see your point, but again, no disrespect to Luke as he has been doing a fine job and exceeded my expectations, but there is always a chance that an underperforming rider may just turn it on for one heat, something that I wouldn’t expect Luke to do.

To me it just seems too much of a risk to use young Luke late on in meetings, especially when Leicester will have the opportunity to bring Kemp in for Thompson as well. 

What happens if Harrison is left in heat 4 & Kemp comes in for Joe T then? 😉

Could even use Harrison for his 3rd ride in heat 13, if they wanted Klindt in heats 4, 12 & 14!

 

 

[StarBoy]

3 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

What happens if Harrison is left in heat 4 & Kemp comes in for Joe T then? 😉

Could even use Harrison for his 3rd ride in heat 13, if they wanted Klindt in heats 4, 12 & 14!

 

 

Then Thompson will have to stay in one of his later heats, which I’m sure Rob is astute enough to put Klindt in 

[Bagpuss]

7 hours ago, Teromaafan said:

The team is built to have a strong reserve my a*se 😂, sorry but that is not what how it was planned! Let’s face it, they could not attract good enough riders to provide a decent heat leader spearhead. Lynn have a team of six pointers on a merry-go-round who take it in turns to be at reserve, number one and all positions in between. Based on your wording, they started with a six pointer at reserve and then picked five others above this average to build a team. Having a reserve that you can look to for additional rides is a reflection on how poorly the riders in the main body of the team are performing. That’s okay on the night, but to see it as a tactical option on a regular basis just shows that, yes, it is actually desperation! Okay, put my opinion to one side and look at where Lynn will finish in a league of seven teams.

Many of your posts suggest you are pretty clueless about how speedway actually works and that bowl of word salad confirms it 👍

[Odds On]

so the day has arrived, Lions to win by an easy eight or more.

So much talk about Klindt having seven rides, no one has mentioned that if he misses the gate in his first two rides he is more than likely to be last, which will put a huge doubt on him having seven rides.

The biggest advantage for Lynn may be the weather, if its a damp track it could make it a great leveller.

[FishersGate]

28 minutes ago, Odds On said:

so the day has arrived, Lions to win by an easy eight or more.

So much talk about Klindt having seven rides, no one has mentioned that if he misses the gate in his first two rides he is more than likely to be last, which will put a huge doubt on him having seven rides.

The biggest advantage for Lynn may be the weather, if its a damp track it could make it a great leveller.

I was thinking the weather could be leveler, currently at work in Lutterworth and its raining but the forecast later in Leicester is fairly dry. But I don't live near the track so god knows. If its dry then Leicester shouldnt have too many issues

[IainB]

1 hour ago, Odds On said:

so the day has arrived, Lions to win by an easy eight or more.

So much talk about Klindt having seven rides, no one has mentioned that if he misses the gate in his first two rides he is more than likely to be last, which will put a huge doubt on him having seven rides.

The biggest advantage for Lynn may be the weather, if its a damp track it could make it a great leveller.

 

30 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

I was thinking the weather could be leveler, currently at work in Lutterworth and its raining but the forecast later in Leicester is fairly dry. But I don't live near the track so god knows. If its dry then Leicester shouldnt have too many issues

I think Lynn's only saviour was going to be the weather... we've had an early morning shower with nothing else now forecast... all things being equal I can only see a Lions win now.

[FishersGate]

I've been going through heat by heat trying different scenarios of how the meeting could pan out. Every time it ends up in a lions win by at least 4-10 points. I suspect Klindt will replace Harrison and possibly Iversen in heats 11 and 14. I wouldn't rule out Klindt taking a ride for Nicholls or Bomber either if they end up mis firing. 

I'm sure Lawson, Kvech, Klindt and Harris will score respectfully, but its a big ask for Nicholls, Iversen and Harrison to do the business also. Nicholls is only just returning from the sidelines, Iversen doesn't seem match fit and Harrison will find it tough. I've not even mentioned how Harris has been struggling with his set up. You also have to take into consideration that Kemp should score a few more points tonight, I don't expect him to beat the likes of Lawson and Kvech but Kemp on his day can beat Nicholls, Iversen and even Klindt at Leicester. Having said that I've only got him down scoring 2 points! 

I do have hope for Lynn as its a one off meeting and the lions aren't unbeatable at home but they really do need abit of luck and a real team effort. Going for a 48-42 win for the lions. If Leicester do manage to disappoint me again then at least the cup is going to Lynn. They deserve something to cheer them up.