Covering injured riders with guests

[SCS]

After talking with friends on Friday would it help to cover injured riders with guests if you could use the GSA as a guide to covering injured riders. If the official total of team building is 40 points and Redcar are now on a total gsa of 39.59 thats if you add up all the riders gsa of all the riders up and if the total is less than 40 points for team building could you add the difference of 40 - 39.59 = 0.41 to the difference of the missing riders average to help you get get a guest. (So if jody scott is missing at 4.43 gsa you can have a guest of 4.84) but if you are over the 40 point limit total then you can only replace the injured rider with a rider of the same average as the injured rider so this means every team is built on 40 points average even if you have an injured rider. if 2 or more riders are out injured you can cover the injured riders with any riders with other riders up to the total of 40 points gsa total.

I hope this makes sense. its just a thought 

[JanAndersen]

I think that sort of logic certainly has merit however like everything I’d imagine it would be open to abuse. You might find underperforming riders being “injured” more frequently. 

[King Jamie]

As Scunthorpe is currently sitting 2.21 under the points limit, I suspect the idea is a non starter. Imagine being able to replace, say, Nathan Ablitt with Nick Morris, Lewis Kerr or Kye Thomson.

On the Simon Lambert thread, there was mention of home and away averages. They used that system in the early 2000s. I liked it. It seemed a lot fairer than the likes of Scott Smith being magically absent from his upcoming trip to sunny Armadale, whilst being replaced by someone who could actually score a few. Paul Pickering for James Grieves at sunny Owlerton was another shining example.

Another way to be fair could maybe be to use the missing rider's average at the track concerned e.g. say Justin Sedgmen is injured and Monarchs are going to, I dunno, let's say Glasgow. I don't have the stats at hand but, just using memory alone, it doesn't seem like he scores 'big' there?

Let's say his Ashfield average is 6.85. That would be the level of guest cover available, not his rolling average of 7.52. Similarly, if there was a track he excelled at, the guest couldn't even be higher than Sedgy's green sheet figure.

Either way, it's far too early on a Sunday morning to very drowning in numbers. I'm going back to bed!

[arnieg]

So if Workington were six points under the limit they could use Kyle Howarth for Max Perry. 

How long before Max Perry has a 'workshop injury'

Does Howarth ride at reserve?

[SCS]

3 minutes ago, arnieg said:

So if Workington were six points under the limit they could use Kyle Howarth for Max Perry. 

How long before Max Perry has a 'workshop injury'

Does Howarth ride at reserve?

If a team is 6 points under then i suppose yes and the lowest 2 average riders would ride at reserve. like i said it was just a thought because something needs to be done

what do you think would be best

[PersonalResponsibility]

25 minutes ago, King Jamie said:

As Scunthorpe is currently sitting 2.21 under the points limit, I suspect the idea is a non starter. Imagine being able to replace, say, Nathan Ablitt with Nick Morris, Lewis Kerr or Kye Thomson.

On the Simon Lambert thread, there was mention of home and away averages. They used that system in the early 2000s. I liked it. It seemed a lot fairer than the likes of Scott Smith being magically absent from his upcoming trip to sunny Armadale, whilst being replaced by someone who could actually score a few. Paul Pickering for James Grieves at sunny Owlerton was another shining example.

Another way to be fair could maybe be to use the missing rider's average at the track concerned e.g. say Justin Sedgmen is injured and Monarchs are going to, I dunno, let's say Glasgow. I don't have the stats at hand but, just using memory alone, it doesn't seem like he scores 'big' there?

Let's say his Ashfield average is 6.85. That would be the level of guest cover available, not his rolling average of 7.52. Similarly, if there was a track he excelled at, the guest couldn't even be higher than Sedgy's green sheet figure.

Either way, it's far too early on a Sunday morning to very drowning in numbers. I'm going back to bed!

I like both of these ideas - but what's the threshold for a rider's average at a certain track? Let's remember, we all lived long enough to see James Grieves win a race at Owlerton. Do we use that meeting for his 'Sheffield average'? Billy Legg once scored a 3-ride paid max, do we use that as his home average? These are edge cases of course, but sod's law dictates it'll be the way that the rule is tested the firast time.

[IainB]

It seems to me that if you're happy for a rider from an opposing team to be riding for your team, often at the detriment of their "own" team... why get your knickers in a twist about 0.01 of a point on an average?

[Youhave2minutes]

50 minutes ago, SCS said:

If a team is 6 points under then i suppose yes and the lowest 2 average riders would ride at reserve. like i said it was just a thought because something needs to be done

what do you think would be best

For us all to keep our noses out of it all

[King Jamie]

8 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

I like both of these ideas - but what's the threshold for a rider's average at a certain track? Let's remember, we all lived long enough to see James Grieves win a race at Owlerton. Do we use that meeting for his 'Sheffield average'? Billy Legg once scored a 3-ride paid max, do we use that as his home average? These are edge cases of course, but sod's law dictates it'll be the way that the rule is tested the firast time.

Funnily enough, when I went back to bed, I did think about the need for a minimum number of meetings as a threshold. You're probably looking at 3 in order to give at least a semi reasonable sample balance and avoid freak results.

I suspect it's an idea which wouldn't work in practice. Otherwise, it would've been introduced before now.