Lynn v Sheffield 3/8/26

[marko]

If we still ran junior teams the old rule of promote a junior if both sides were using R\R could be utilised.

Also the issue isn’t so much about the amount of guests but the cause of why there is riders missing.

[Roger Jacobs]

2 hours ago, marko said:

If we still ran junior teams the old rule of promote a junior if both sides were using R\R could be utilised.

Also the issue isn’t so much about the amount of guests but the cause of why there is riders missing.

I don't think there was ever a rule about promoting junior riders - it was more a case of if teams had two similar riders missing there could be a "gentleman's agreement" between the promoters to use juniors.  Certainly if, for example, one team had a heat leader missing, but the other had a second string missing, it was highly unlikely that juniors would be used.

[RS50]

3 hours ago, marko said:

If we still ran junior teams the old rule of promote a junior if both sides were using R\R could be utilised.

Also the issue isn’t so much about the amount of guests but the cause of why there is riders missing.

 

39 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

I don't think there was ever a rule about promoting junior riders - it was more a case of if teams had two similar riders missing there could be a "gentleman's agreement" between the promoters to use juniors.  Certainly if, for example, one team had a heat leader missing, but the other had a second string missing, it was highly unlikely that juniors would be used.

I can remember Juniors being promoted. However in practice how would it work today. Let's say Belle Vue and Sheffield are against each other, and Kurtz Doyle J Holder and Pickering are out.

You put out teams as follows 

1 Cook

2 Cairns 

3 Blodorn

4 Ziscke

5 Kildemand

6 Junior 

7 Junior.

1 C Holder 

2 Killeen

3 Flint 

4 Etheridge

5 Rowe

6 Junior 

7 Junior.

Would it be fair to charge Premiership prices, for e championship standard match.

Would more be attracted to the match, than if you had replacements such as Fricke Douglas Lawson, Musielak?

[marko]

The agreement to be fair was more aimed at the National League.

[kevin bass]

Back in the day if a team ran R/R they nearly always had a  junior rider named at No8, but then again what rider these days is gonna travel for a meeting on the off chance he gets a ride, and like been said in those days the majority of the teams had a junior team who rode in a fixture after the main match had finished, so the riders were already trackside.

[therefused]

1 hour ago, kevin bass said:

Back in the day if a team ran R/R they nearly always had a  junior rider named at No8, but then again what rider these days is gonna travel for a meeting on the off chance he gets a ride, and like been said in those days the majority of the teams had a junior team who rode in a fixture after the main match had finished, so the riders were already trackside.

chances are there will be a junior knocking around the pits anyway. maybe this is a good reason to have second halfs again, at least that way there is a reason for them to be there. 

[kevin bass]

2 hours ago, therefused said:

chances are there will be a junior knocking around the pits anyway. maybe this is a good reason to have second halfs again, at least that way there is a reason for them to be there. 

I personally used to enjoy the junior league racing, we had Howe, Tacey, Clouting and Lawrence Hare at Ipswich, and remember Spicer and Fairweather being up at Lynn.

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, kevin bass said:

I personally used to enjoy the junior league racing, we had Howe, Tacey, Clouting and Lawrence Hare at Ipswich, and remember Spicer and Fairweather being up at Lynn.

Plus Jason Gage, Tom Grinstead, Roger Horspool, Andy Mountain etc

[YeOldPitGate]

1 hour ago, kevin bass said:

I personally used to enjoy the junior league racing, we had Howe, Tacey, Clouting and Lawrence Hare at Ipswich, and remember Spicer and Fairweather being up at Lynn.

And don't forget the Horsepool brothers

[YeOldPitGate]

1 minute ago, Bagpuss said:

Plus Jason Gage, Tom Grinstead, Roger Horspool, Andy Mountain etc

Remember Wild Wayne back in the day Bagpuss ? if you do does he still go ?

[rusky]

7 hours ago, kevin bass said:

Back in the day if a team ran R/R they nearly always had a  junior rider named at No8, but then again what rider these days is gonna travel for a meeting on the off chance he gets a ride, and like been said in those days the majority of the teams had a junior team who rode in a fixture after the main match had finished, so the riders were already trackside.

If you go back years ago, British League Teams would always have an up and coming National League rider as a number 8 who would drop in when British League riders were missing. Robert Hollingworth was No 8 for Lynn for quite a while, I seem to remember Chris Turner for Belle Vue, Might of been Nigel Flatman at Ipswich. In my opinion this worked well but it was reliant on the senior club having a good working relationship with the junior club who essentially were feeder clubs, and of course no doubling up (other than as a number 8 ) and very limited guests. 

[YeOldPitGate]

1 minute ago, rusky said:

If you go back years ago, British League Teams would always have an up and coming National League rider as a number 8 who would drop in when British League riders were missing. Robert Hollingworth was No 8 for Lynn for quite a while, I seem to remember Chris Turner for Belle Vue, Might of been Nigel Flatman at Ipswich. In my opinion this worked well but it was reliant on the senior club having a good working relationship with the junior club who essentially were feeder clubs, and of course no doubling up (other than as a number 8 ) and very limited guests. 

Christ I can remember Flatman that was around the Jem Doncaster , Kai Niemi days from memory

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, YeOldPitGate said:

Remember Wild Wayne back in the day Bagpuss ? if you do does he still go ?

I certainly do, and I'm not sure.

[kevin bass]

1 hour ago, YeOldPitGate said:

Christ I can remember Flatman that was around the Jem Doncaster , Kai Niemi days from memory

Nigel Flatman emigrated to Oz and was still having the odd spin on the shale over there up to a few years back.

[marko]

5 hours ago, kevin bass said:

I personally used to enjoy the junior league racing, we had Howe, Tacey, Clouting and Lawrence Hare at Ipswich, and remember Spicer and Fairweather being up at Lynn.

Ben Howe, Shaun Tacey, Sav Clouting and Lawrence Hare was probably the best junior team any club has ever had, they were untouchable.

[marko]

Arena Essex had riders like Robert Ledwith, Tommy Palmer, Nick Floyd, Shaun Nicholls (related) Chris Young and Russell Etherington.

And when I was a postman in Chelmsford I briefly was delivering to a junior rider from Peterborough who always looked like a fish out of water around the tight confines of Arena Essex, his name was Darren Tupper. 

[tellboy]

3 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

I certainly do, and I'm not sure.

I have seen and spoken to him probably a couple of times in the last few years.He certainly isn't a regular like he was in the days of Wild Wayne and his posse,of which i was one😁.Did we have some great times back then.

Edited 52 minutes ago by tellboy

[kevin bass]

50 minutes ago, marko said:

Ben Howe, Shaun Tacey, Sav Clouting and Lawrence Hare was probably the best junior team any club has ever had, they were untouchable.

A group of us used to sponsor Ben Howe when he first started riding at Ipswich, i actually bumped on Shaun Tacey a few wks back at a Mildenhall meeting and he still does grass track now and then.