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Everything posted by Vince

  1. Kim Nilsson owed a few bob

    The only time Sam was ever owed money it was only a small amount for a CL guest booking and I was told by everybody to just forget about it as it would cause him problems. Everybody except Tim Stone who said chase it up, I tried to contact the promoter several times with no luck so wrote to the SCB saying that it was a matter of principal and I would put it through the small claims court if I hadn't received the money in 30 days. Cheque in the post within the week! I do think riders don't chase money as they should because they fear that word will get around and they won't get rides in future. I would suggest the only promoters who wouldn't employ a rider because he asked for his due money wouldn't be worth riding for anyway. On the other hand you have riders who will sign for clubs who are known to pay late for extra points money over those who do pay on the nail, makes no sense to me but it happens. It is interesting that the promoters who are accused of being too tight with their money by the fans are often the ones who settle the wage bill.
  2. No TV deal?

    Id disagree with that 100%, in my opinion the riding standard today is the highest I have seen since I first watched in the 60's. Modern day riders do things on the bike that their forebears couldn't have imagined doing, some of that is down to bikes and tracks but they still have to be the ones doing it. Not only the that but the commitment of the majority riders to each race is higher as well in my opinion.
  3. No TV deal?

    Not much to do with deliveries and everything to do with panic buying if there are more than 3 snowflakes fall in an hour!!
  4. Once A Jolly Swagman

    Something about Speedway along the lines of the flat track sections of On Any Sunday would make a fantastic documentary I always thought.

    Trials tyres have been tubeless and run at even lower pressures for a while now. Different to speedway admittedly but they take some serious abuse
  6. Bye bye Gate girls?

    The other day I heard a comedian say that 'nobody ever died of being offended' and I think in this day and age it is well worth remembering!
  7. SCB and amatuer racing.

    The ACU have tried many times over the years to threaten riders with licences being revoked if they compete with other organisations, it even went as far as court with the AMCA back in the 70's. It's always been bluff and bull and they aren't allowed to do it. Unless a rider has already entered to ride elsewhere there is nothing that can be done to penalise them.
  8. Speedway Noise

    I can't be bothered to look up the actual times but do remember when reading about the Mildenhall case thinking that the stock cars weren't helping the situation by continuing to make noise until the early hours, I was told at the time this was antagonising the neighbour deliberately because they hated him. If there is any truth in that then it is stupid beyond belief. No doubt that the new home owners should have been sent packing by the courts in the first case (and hopefully they would be under this new law) but nearly all motor sport venues should also recognise they do cause some degree of nuisance to some their neighbours and act responsibly by keeping it to acceptable hours.
  9. Schedule for this years British Dirt track Championship 7/8th April 2018 Kings Lynn 19/20th May Peterborough (MCN Show) 9/10th June Redcar 7/8th July Greenfield TT (Lincs) 11/12th August Amman Valley 15/16th September Greenfield oval. Two other events are on the 5/6th May at Lelystad, Holland there is Hells Race which I think will icorporate a round of the Hooligan Championship 18th August at Arena Essex is the Dirt Quake event. New for 2018 is a change of sponsor with Dunlop becoming a headline sponsor and supplying the control tyres. There will also be a different format at some rounds with the Pro and Intermediate classes being mixed for qualifying and then moving onto finals which should mix things up a bit. All the Championship events are being run over two days because of the large increase of participants across all adult classes.
  10. Speedway Noise

    We had this with a near weekly petition about a mx practice track. Once we proved that they had complained when there was nobody on site one week none of the names on that petition could ever be taken into account again (which was nearly everybody) and we were granted 364 days planning permission. Asking some of the locals in the village shop one day after all this if the noise was really an issue it was said that most didn't mind but the bloke who organised it all was such a pain in the arse that they all signed to shut him up! It is a landmark new law that will do a lot for motorsport in general with places like Mallory Park and Brands Hatch having major problems with complainants.
  11. Ditch the Family Tag??

    I agree on both counts but don't think the two types of marketing are compatible If you go to a Nitro Circus show there will be hundreds of young kids with their parents but the marketing is all about the thrills and spills which means it is still cool for the young adults. They do have the added advantage that the majority of the audience will do or have done a watered down version of what they do.
  12. Ditch the Family Tag??

    I don't think being family friendly is a problem but don't believe it's the way to market the sport these days. If you look at the crowds for the X games or other extreme sports events they are no longer male dominated. Lets face it when you were 16 would you and your friends have been more likely to want to watch a nice family sport or something mad, bad and dangerous? Me too, if it's got two wheels and is racing I'll watch it and have done since I was a toddler. Strangely I have had motorcycles pretty much continuously since 1971 yet don't have a road bike licence and am still not bothered about getting one. For me motorcycles are for racing, preferably off road although I currently think the best racing on offer is BSB.
  13. Ditch the Family Tag??

    Strange thing about motorcyclists and speedway. Seems that most who race enjoy the sport but the road riders show little interest. Think the racers perhaps appreciate the skill required more. Then again motorcycling is largely an solitary hobby that doesn't associate with team racing. Likewise the majority of speedway fans don't appear to have much interest in other forms of motorcycling
  14. Ditch the Family Tag??

    As soon as possible, there are 'extreme' sports out there that really don't deserve the tag but Speedway which does seems to avoid it. In my opinion they need to start telling everybody that they an just how often these lads get injured and how they are back riding long before they are fit. Make sure everybody knows just how tough this sport is and you might just get the youngsters coming to have a look, then let the riders act like they are tough and have a punch up now and again and they might stay!

    That may possibly be true but far more likely is that a price of say £13 may result in a small increase that will then drop back to your hardcore support in a couple of months. Then in order to get income back to where you started from you put the price back to £17 only to find you have alienated some of them too. It doesn't seem likely to me that £13 instead of £17 entry will make much difference to many peoples attendance although continual small rises I think do bite. I believe that the price isn't the major issue, the value for money is. Even if you drop the price you have to increase the entertainment and improve the atmosphere to bring the crowd to a level that sees income improve.

    I can't imagine any clubs can afford to try that!
  17. Joe Jacobs

    When it comes to low average riders it will often be because they can bring in a foreign lad and he will become an asset while a British lad will already be signed to another club. They may well not have to pay a loan fee on a British youngster if he is unproven but they stand to gain nothing in the long term. They can bring in a youngster from abroad on a recommendation , pay whatever the current rate is that they have to towards his living costs, find him a place to live and use of a workshop and then he is worth giving time to develop in their team because if he does OK he will eventually make them some money. It makes much more sense to give him a good amount of time to learn the trade at his home track. Give a British lad who is somebody else's asset a team place and if he doesn't score in the first couple of meetings you can replace him with somebody else. The asset system while I can see why Promoters in general support it to my way of thinking is massively detrimental to the future of the sport in this country. Shame about Joe's retirement as he has the potential to be a good, long term servant to a club who the fans would like.

    As I've said often before on here, I started going to Speedway in either 1966 or 67 and immediately fell in love with the sport. I was taken by my grandfather and was told at nearly every meeting by the people around me how much better it was in previous years. The racing I saw then and in the following couple of decades was mostly from the gate with a few good races at a really good meeting, a couple at a normal meeting and a handful of great races a season. Wembley World Finals were a great occasion but certainly not because of the racing (although apparently they were much better in the years before I went!). The main difference was being in full or near full stadiums so the atmosphere was better. In my opinion the racing today is the best it's ever been, the riders the most skilled and determined (although I do believe the top riders from any era would always be the best) and I don't see riders settling for position anywhere near as often as I used to. Quite often I think the tracks aren't prepared for good racing, especially in the GP's where the riders can handle the deeper dirt although even that is improving. There's not a lot wrong with the racing, the biggest problem is the perception of the sport from outside. It's just not seen as being a cool place to be, probably because it's really not. Us lot aren't the people to ask though, the questions need to be put to 14 to 20 year olds.
  19. To be fair Speedway and Grasstrack sidecars are loved by many, it seems like they are more popular than solo's with spectators at Grasstrack........but I have never liked them much.
  20. Sidecars a perfectly good motorcycle ruined I don't think mixing other sports with Speedway would be such a good thing as mostly Speedway fans aren't very interested in motorcycles. I would guess far more follow the other local teams in Football, Rugby, Ice Hockey etc than watch other motorcycle racing. We have done short track demo's at Speedway meetings at Rye House which have been received well but there have only been a couple of races and being demo's there has been a lot of passing and contact The one thing which I think would fit in really well at Speedway would be to run a cycle speedway meeting on the infield with the races between the main meetings races. Another local team to support which would cost very little to run (if the infield is available). Another option would be to get some young kids on motorcycles doing Trials demonstrations or perhaps the local kids grass trackers getting a couple of outings a year. None of it is going to attract much in the way of new spectators though, even the cycle speedway fans tend to go to Speedway anyway. Stock cars and Greyhounds would not be an option because of the fence for stocks and the shale getting on the greyhound track.
  21. This video gives some idea of the effort put into making the AMA Supercross a well publicised and superb spectacle. The social media coverage is excellent, the events are well publicised locally and held in Football stadiums with top notch facilities. The racing is great (a must watch on the PC every Sunday morning for me). The stars of the sport become rich and famous as sportsmen. It is supported by factory efforts from the main manufacturers backed up by some huge sponsorship deals and teams. Vast sums of money are invested in these events. They run around 18 meetings a year between January and May throughout the US. They do absolutely everything that I have seen suggested needs doing for Speedway. The live crowds are dropping, currently they are still big enough to be sustainable but it's becoming a real concern. I think the majority of live sports are losing spectators in an age when you can watch just about anything on your phone, PC or TV at little or no cost. Don't know the answers but Speedway has been around a lot longer than Supercross and it seems to have found a level now.

    I'd have read 'rules changing every other week' as just a saying rather than taking it literally, either way it really can't be worth making such a bloody fuss about!!

    He must have been knackered at the end of that I'm one of those who never fills out a programme and generally isn't interested in the stats. Then again I much prefer individual Speedway meetings so I'm aware I'm very much in the minority. I can see that for quite a few making the statistics easily available would improve the experience so it is a relatively cheap thing that might help gain or at least retain a few spectators. The lack of a big scoreboard at tracks is crazy in my view (but that might be because I can't be bothered to fill in a programme so don't know the score half the time given the state of many tracks PA systems.)
  24. 1. Times have changed and live sport in general struggles for attendances. There is much more competition for peoples time and the majority of it can be had without leaving the house. 2. Speedway made a dogs dinner of their TV coverage and failed to use the income wisely. Many sports have survived decreasing crowds by using TV coverage to bring in sponsorship but Speedway generally hasn't bought in a lot of good sponsors. 3. The facilities at some tracks are appalling. 4. Not enough local riders or teams that retain riders for consecutive seasons. 5. The fans talk the sport down and want home wins when good racing is what will attract new spectators. Very much an underrated factor in my opinion, not only the fans but some promotions as well tell everybody that Speedway is a struggling, dying sport. 6. There are too many meetings in a too long season. Double edged sword as need the meetings to cover the track rent in most cases but even football is generally a bi-weekly event for most fans. Effectively doubles the cost for many supporters or leads to them picking the best meetings and not being bothered if they miss a few when the weather is dodgy. The season used to be Good Friday until the world final in mid September. Much better chance of decent weather and less weather ruined meetings.
  25. Little bit off topic but we quite often see the success of darts compared to the demise of Speedway. Just how many people pay to watch darts each year? It enjoys big crowds at a relatively small number of it's top events but it is completely different to trying to get crowds to an outdoor sports meeting every week. I can fully understand what RMC has to say and have seen the success of cultivating a local journalist on one hand and the failure to cultivate his successor on another. Difficult to see a way to bring professional media people into promoting Speedway though as the funding just isn't available and they alone can't guarantee enough success to change that. I think Speedway in the UK has almost found its level, perhaps crowd levels will drop a little further but then it will just have to find other ways to fund the sport in the long term while there might be the odd burst of popularity to remind the oldies of how wonderful it used to be.