Gavan 5,050 Posted January 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, foreverblue said: we have been very loyal to Holder in the past and good to have him back. But you let him go for KK Newman, Ellis prime examples of a lack of loyalty. I agree that loyalty doesnt make you successful but Poole are one of the worst when it comes to loyalty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirates Of Poole 761 Posted January 17, 2018 Just now, Gavan said: But you let him go for KK Newman, Ellis prime examples of a lack of loyalty. I agree that loyalty doesnt make you successful but Poole are one of the worst when it comes to loyalty No you are right but loyalty also does not always win you league titles. At times you need to be ruthless. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve0 5,517 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Where was their loyalty? Swindon signed a rider on a ridiculous average (Doyle) and they kept Morris who had a poor year the previous season. That's loyalty and I believe both would still be riding for Swindon this year if the BSPA conference hadn't voted for the ridiculous one over 8 rule. Not to mention Ellis - who had a poor start and was kept in the team! Edited January 17, 2018 by Steve0 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted January 17, 2018 What loyalty does achieve is continuity and many fans like to be able to identify with their team over a number of seasons, one of the reasons why the sport was popular in the 70's. Even better if you can retain a good level of local British riders and especially those who have progressed through the ranks from novice upwards. Of course loyalty has to be tempered with building good teams and fitting into the points limits but BelleVue have shown both historically and in recent seasons that it can be done. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted January 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, Pirates Of Poole said: No you are right but loyalty also does not always win you league titles. At times you need to be ruthless. Correct at times you do need to be ruthless. But Swindon won the league by retaining Doyle on a high average and kept Morris after a poor season and showed a lot of faith in Ellis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Aces51 said: What loyalty does achieve is continuity and many fans like to be able to identify with their team over a number of seasons, one of the reasons why the sport was popular in the 70's. Even better if you can retain a good level of local British riders and especially those who have progressed through the ranks from novice upwards. Of course loyalty has to be tempered with building good teams and fitting into the points limits but BelleVue have shown both historically and in recent seasons that it can be done. Agreed and I am sure that some fans and local sponsors have given up because of the chopping and changing of riders each season. Years ago many youngsters used to wear race jackets with their favorite riders name on, but you hardly ever see it now as a favourite rider this year is riding for a different team next. The same happens with riders caps and shirts, because of the changing you see less. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dabbsjoe 149 Posted January 17, 2018 Wolves went with loyalty for years and it got them one chamionship in god knows how many years. when the promotion got ruthless the last two years it resulted in a championship and a runners up spot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted January 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, dabbsjoe said: Wolves went with loyalty for years and it got them one chamionship in god knows how many years. when the promotion got ruthless the last two years it resulted in a championship and a runners up spot The club has always been run well and often the club being loyal fitted in with there budget.For me i prefer continuity i hate loads of changes every year in the teams. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve0 said: Swindon signed a rider on a ridiculous average (Doyle) and they kept Morris who had a poor year the previous season. That's loyalty and I believe both would still be riding for Swindon this year if the BSPA conference hadn't voted for the ridiculous one over 8 rule. Not to mention Ellis - who had a poor start and was kept in the team! Was Musielak part of your loyalty! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, dabbsjoe said: Wolves went with loyalty for years and it got them one chamionship in god knows how many years. when the promotion got ruthless the last two years it resulted in a championship and a runners up spot I wouldnt say the promotion got ruthless........more like riders like Karlsson and Skornicki got older and other like Tai didnt want to ride here. Wolves i would say are one of the most loyal teams out there. 5 of last seasons starting 7 were from the season before This season coming one of Lindgren or Thorsell had to go but Masters and Howarth and Greaves and Schlein are back and the returning Morris. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted January 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Was Musielak part of your loyalty! Yes, we signed him, bought him from Wolves and are including him in the 2018 line up 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,050 Posted January 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Was Musielak part of your loyalty! Is that Musielek that replaced Grondal? You know the Musielek that Swindon have signed and will race for Swindon next season................along with one of the best young brits in Adam Ellis that Poole showed zero loyalty to after helping them to win the league.......Pooles loss was Swindons gain there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted January 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: Yes, we signed him, bought him from Wolves and are including him in the 2018 line up Why wouldn't you keep he is a top rider, that's not loyalty that's being sensible. Surprised you haven't been loyal to Doyle though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,096 Posted January 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gavan said: Is that Musielek that replaced Grondal? You know the Musielek that Swindon have signed and will race for Swindon next season................along with one of the best young brits in Adam Ellis that Poole showed zero loyalty to after helping them to win the league.......Pooles loss was Swindons gain there When did Ellis help us win the league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Why wouldn't you keep he is a top rider, that's not loyalty that's being sensible. Surprised you haven't been loyal to Doyle though. Come on forever that is down to the stupid bspa team limit of one rider above 8, you know the group that continually water down the speedway teams. If it was not for that stupid rule we would have had Nick and Jason in out team. Edited January 17, 2018 by A ORLOV 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites