Perton Wolf 396 Posted June 5, 2018 On 6/4/2018 at 12:23 AM, Sidney the robin said: Still a better rider than Kyle Howarth though Steve, he took him from the back at his home track Sheffield in the WC semi. Also Auty has more of a chance than Howarth at Belle Vue of mixing it and being a spoiler in the British Final. Josh Auty better than Kyle Howarth? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,821 Posted June 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: You are a broken record who knows F ... all .We all have opinions and for me if Howarth gets a chance Auty does as well no problem if i remember right he Auty took Kyle from the back at the Sheffield semi, and has been Prettty good since do you object Phillips? Facts still remain Sid that Howarth has had a better average than Auty for the past 2 seasons at both Divisions levels. you also said Howarth would struggle to reach 6.50 away average if he wasn’t at Wolves. Yet his 2017 away average was over 6.7. sometimes facts override opinions. Still hope Josh gets a top flight place tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sidney the robin said: You are a broken record who knows!!!!! .We all have opinions and for me if Howarth gets a chance then so should Auty as well If i remember rightly Auty did take Kyle from the back at the Sheffield semi, and has had a pretty and consistent year. Nice edit, you've got it right now. Steve, in this case, does know. I notice you don't mention Auty's mighty 3pts when Scunthorpe rode at Sheffield. Howarth scored 12. Anyone can pick one race and decide that race makes a rider better than another. As Steve has said, Howarth has averaged higher than Auty in both 2016 and 2017 in both leagues. Not only that but riding on completely different types of track in each league. Whether Auty should get a chance or not in the top league is a completely different topic. Auty is still only 27, although he has been around for a long time. It's not too late to make something more of his career if he can dedicate himself and stay injury free. Edited June 5, 2018 by BWitcher 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: Facts still remain Sid that Howarth has had a better average than Auty for the past 2 seasons at both Divisions levels. you also said Howarth would struggle to reach 6.50 away average if he wasn’t at Wolves. Yet his 2017 away average was over 6.7. sometimes facts override opinions. Still hope Josh gets a top flight place tho. You are correct Brum average wise the figures don't lie for me Doyle is a great example for any rider to try to keep on improving to the best level possible. Howarth/Garrity,/Auty,/ Worrall/Harris,/ etc) for me are all in the same group level wise and Woffinden,Lambert,Bewley,S.Worrall, Cook are the only five that are clear of the bunch Edited June 5, 2018 by Sidney the robin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted June 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, BWitcher said: Nice edit, you've got it right now. Steve, in this case, does know. I notice you don't mention Auty's mighty 3pts when Scunthorpe rode at Sheffield. Howarth scored 12. Anyone can pick one race and decide that race makes a rider better than another. As Steve has said, Howarth has averaged higher than Auty in both 2016 and 2017 in both leagues. Not only that but riding on completely different types of track in each league. Whether Auty should get a chance or not in the top league is a completely different topic. Auty is still only 27, although he has been around for a long time. It's not too late to make something more of his career if he can dedicate himself and stay injury free. Good post Witcher the last sentence totally correct, yes Auty did have a nightmare meeting at Sheffield a fall and a exclusion but he actually rode well for three points.He put that right in the Semi Final at Owlerton beating Rory(he has been superb) Lambert, Bewley,Howarth can he keep the consistency up ? probably not that is the key consistency Auty 3 Howarth 1 in the 2018 head to head stats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy bill 154 Posted June 5, 2018 Why as this developed into a Auty v Howarth post all i said was Auty on present form should have a Premier team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 5, 2018 58 minutes ago, speedy bill said: Why as this developed into a Auty v Howarth post all i said was Auty on present form should have a Premier team It's called conversation/debate. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted June 6, 2018 i would haven chosen josh over klindt any day of the week to ride for poole josh is a racer as for howarth not really improved a great deal 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.N.T. 355 Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/5/2018 at 12:41 PM, Sidney the robin said: . Howarth/Garrity,/Auty,/ Worrall/Harris,/ etc) for me are all in the same group level wise Woffinden,Lambert,Bewley,S.Worrall, Cook are the only five that are clear of the bunch Auty isn't at the level of Harris or the others you mention and while he shows potential Bewley is also in that bracket. As for Cook and Worrall they are above these and Lambert above all listed but Woffinden is on another planet compared to any other Brit and 35 from 12 rides compared to 11 from Lambert and Cook shows that clearly. Give it three years and I'm sure we will see it as Woffinden still clear but Lambert Bewley Bickley Flint and a few others as the leading Brits Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted June 10, 2018 5 hours ago, T.N.T. said: Auty isn't at the level of Harris or the others you mention and while he shows potential Bewley is also in that bracket. As for Cook and Worrall they are above these and Lambert above all listed but Woffinden is on another planet compared to any other Brit and 35 from 12 rides compared to 11 from Lambert and Cook shows that clearly. Give it three years and I'm sure we will see it as Woffinden still clear but Lambert Bewley Bickley Flint and a few others as the leading Brits This year Auty has been better than Harris at Championship level and the riders in that group can all beat each other on one given day.Lambert,Cook,S.Worrall,Bewley for me are easily the top four riders we have alongside Tai.Cook is the one that has a few question mark's to answer even this Monday in the British Final he is not the favourite a big night for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Third Man 2,216 Posted June 10, 2018 On 6/6/2018 at 6:46 AM, ray c said: i would haven chosen josh over klindt any day of the week to ride for poole josh is a racer as for howarth not really improved a great deal take it you see Howarth very often, in the 2 and a bit seasons he has been at Sheffield he has improved massively don't have a problem with Josh either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted June 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, The Third Man said: take it you see Howarth very often, in the 2 and a bit seasons he has been at Sheffield he has improved massively don't have a problem with Josh either Dont see Kyle only when he comes to Poole with wolves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Third Man 2,216 Posted June 10, 2018 3 hours ago, ray c said: Dont see Kyle only when he comes to Poole with wolves So you base your opinion that he hasn't improved on one or two away matches per season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted June 10, 2018 55 minutes ago, The Third Man said: So you base your opinion that he hasn't improved on one or two away matches per season? I never he hasn't improved I said a great deal . I don't think you have to see a rider every week to see whether he has improved or not imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 11, 2018 Ah well Sidney was right. Auty showed Howarth he is the better rider when it really matters... Oh wait... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites