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4 minutes ago, chunky said:

It was your opinion that I considered Michael Lee an "also-ran". That was clearly an opinion that was WRONG, as there is no fact behind that claim whatsoever.

Carry on talking to yourself Chunky.

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2 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:

Carry on talking to yourself Chunky.

I might just as well, because we can't get any sense out of you...

You STATED that.  Am I wrong?

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6 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Midland Red has an OPINION that is as worthy as you and Witcher that is fact.

Only those unable to form a coherent argument use this line.

An opinion is as worthy as the reasoning behind it.. Midland Red has given none.

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2 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Carry on talking to yourself Chunky.

Says Sidney replying.

The gift that keeps on giving.

Only waiting for the threat to knock Chunky out now.

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6 hours ago, orion said:

I think Josh Auty is better than Woffy and Lee .

But not as good as Buzz Burrows

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5 hours ago, Midland Red said:
opinion
/əˈpɪnjən/
noun
 
  1.  
    a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

That doesn't exactly help your case does it!

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7 hours ago, Sidney the robin said:

Really i think many a Peter Craven fan would disagree with you!!!! winning a Gp series is a different disipline than a one off world final that is fact also your opinion of Auty has always been blinkered.

You are very much right about Peter Craven. I have spoken to many a fellow fan who says he was the best ever full stop in fact. I cannot judge somebody who was a lot before my time tbh. I will always say Tai.

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11 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

But not as good as Buzz Burrows

I was deliberately keeping quiet about Buzz...

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3 minutes ago, craigACE said:

You are very much right about Peter Craven. I have spoken to many a fellow fan who says he was the best ever full stop in fact. I cannot judge somebody who was a lot before my time tbh. I will always say Tai.

 Craven is a genuine contender, with two wins and two thirds, in a career that wasn't cut short by his own frailties and poor decisions. As others have said, Lee's self-destruction weighs heavily against him, as there is more to being an all-time great than talent and potential.

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Looks to me like most people agree on who is the best from a era. So as a example whoever was the best 60s/70s, 80s/90s up until now. Then the question gets asked who out of those 3 eras is the best ?. Ultimately making them the best ever. Nobody agrees. Why compare anyway ?. The Sport was different then. And i wouldnt care most people(me included) was not around to see Peter Craven etc. Suppose it is fun. I prefer debating the best ever Belle Vue riders.

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44 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

That doesn't exactly help your case does it!

It defines the word “opinion”

I gave my “opinion”

I did not state a “fact”

You regularly give on this forum your own “opinions” on assorted matters, the majority of which are other people’s “opinions”, with which you disagree - meaning that you consider your “opinions” in some way superior to other people’s “opinions”

Where you disprove “facts” quoted by others, there can be little argument or discussion

But if it’s an “opinion” with which you disagree, or which you disprove of, then that is an entirely different matter

I stick by my “opinion” about Michael Lee and Tai Woffinden, whether you disagree, disapprove or not

I made no statement of “fact” about the two riders, so there can be no discussion there

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1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

But not as good as Buzz Burrows

Have you  ever watched him live Witcher ? I will  meet you for a shandy at Wolves tomorrow if you don't turn up  are  tell everyone you  are a coward ? how about it witcher yes or no ?

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18 minutes ago, orion said:

How ever watched him live Witcher ? I will  meet you for a shandy at Wolves tomorrow if you don't turn up  are  tell everyone you  are a coward ? how about it witcher yes or no ?

Burrows and Josh Auty would of ruled world speedway of it was just based on pure talent... Lee, Woffinden, Craven also rans in comparison 

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57 minutes ago, craigACE said:

Looks to me like most people agree on who is the best from a era. So as a example whoever was the best 60s/70s, 80s/90s up until now. Then the question gets asked who out of those 3 eras is the best ?. Ultimately making them the best ever. Nobody agrees. Why compare anyway ?. The Sport was different then. And i wouldnt care most people(me included) was not around to see Peter Craven etc. Suppose it is fun. I prefer debating the best ever Belle Vue riders.

Thing is, while titles aren't everything (certainly not National Championships anyway), they are a guide at the highest level. Therefore, Woffinden's record is far superior to that of any British rider, which is why we believe he is the best. Craven won less, but as I said, he can be considered a genuine contender for the moniker of "Best Brit".

Lee's record is worse, and his self-destructive streak and poor temperament means that realistically, he is not in the same class as Woffinden or Craven. Just because he had more talent and more potential doesn't mean that he was better.

It's not just a case of people looking at riders from their own era. Most on here will class Mauger and Rickardsson as the best of all-time, with Fundin also up there.

Steve

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1 hour ago, Midland Red said:

It defines the word “opinion”

I gave my “opinion”

I did not state a “fact”

You regularly give on this forum your own “opinions” on assorted matters, the majority of which are other people’s “opinions”, with which you disagree - meaning that you consider your “opinions” in some way superior to other people’s “opinions”

Where you disprove “facts” quoted by others, there can be little argument or discussion

But if it’s an “opinion” with which you disagree, or which you disprove of, then that is an entirely different matter

I stick by my “opinion” about Michael Lee and Tai Woffinden, whether you disagree, disapprove or not

I made no statement of “fact” about the two riders, so there can be no discussion there

Still not got a clue have you.

An opinion is worthless in any form of intelligent conversation unless backed up with reasons.

"I saw them both" most certainly does not qualify as one of them when they would have been on different machinery, different opponents, different track surfaces. In fact, anyone attempting to give an opinion based on that is foolish in the extreme..... 

It's you getting all worked up because you have quite simply been unable to back up your opinion with anything at all.

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