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In track order:

05/10 Bell End v Wigan - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

22/06 Peterborough Best Pairs - CONFIRM RESULT

23/08 Wigan Ron Johnson Team v Joe Abbott Team - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

15/08 Cradley Heath v Tamworth - CONFIRM DATE

0/04 Sheffield Owlerton Trophy - tie between Tommy Bateman & Ron Mason - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?

25/09 Sheffield Silver Helmet - tie between Dent Oliver & Wally Lloyd - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?

29/04 Southampton Southampton Trophy winner George Bason - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

27/05 Southampton Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Peter Robinson - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

01/07 Southampton - Saints v Team Captains 53-31 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

02/09 Southampton v Division 3 Top Scorers 45-38  - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

14/10 Southampton Best Riders Trophy winner Wally Green - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

10/05 Wigan v Norwich rained off - CONFIRM DATE, COMPETITION & RESULT23/05 Wombwell Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Stan Lanfear - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

30/05 Wombwell Best Pairs winners Alf Elliott & Gerry Williams - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

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53 minutes ago, daveallan81 said:

In track order:

05/10 Bell End v Wigan - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

15/08 Cradley Heath v Tamworth - CONFIRM DATE

22/06 Peterborough Best Pairs - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

10/04 Sheffield Owlerton Trophy - tie between Tommy Bateman & Ron Mason - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?

25/09 Sheffield Silver Helmet - tie between Dent Oliver & Wally Lloyd - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?

29/04 Southampton Southampton Trophy winner George Bason - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

27/05 Southampton Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Peter Robinson - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

01/07 Southampton - Saints v Team Captains 53-31 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

02/09 Southampton v Division 3 Top Scorers 45-38  - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

14/10 Southampton Best Riders Trophy winner Wally Green - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

10/05 Wigan v Norwich rained off - CONFIRM DATE, COMPETITION & RESULT

23/08 Wigan Ron Johnson Team v Joe Abbott Team - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

23/05 Wombwell Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Stan Lanfear - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

30/05 Wombwell Best Pairs winners Alf Elliott & Gerry Williams - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

15/08 Cradley Heath v Tamworth - CONFIRM DATE  Date confirmed from programme and magazines
22/06 Peterborough Best Pairs - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  Date confirmed from programme, result not known - staged at Eastfield Grass Speedway
10/04 Sheffield Owlerton Trophy - tie between Tommy Bateman & Ron Mason - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?  Speedway News reported that there was a tie for the trophy, with no decider raced
29/04 Southampton Southampton Trophy winner George Bason - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  Date confirmed from programme; Bason stated in Stenner's Annual to be the winner, with the date also confirmed therein
27/05 Southampton Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Peter Robinson - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  Stenner's Annual confirmed the date and Robinson as the winner
01/07 Southampton - Saints v Team Captains 53-31 - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  Date and result confirmed from programme and magazines
02/09 Southampton v Division 3 Top Scorers 45-38  - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  Date and result confirmed from programme
10/05 Wigan v Norwich rained off - CONFIRM DATE, COMPETITION & RESULT  Date confirmed, National League Division 2 (postponed due to the state of the rain-affected track, but a series of races were staged between some of the riders - shades of the first attempt to stage the British League match between Cradley Heath and West Ham in 1965, when the track was deemed unfit to race a league match but the teams competed in a challenge match instead!)
23/05 Wombwell Speedway Riders Championship QR winner Stan Lanfear - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  Date and winner confirmed in the Stenner's Annual
30/05 Wombwell Best Pairs winners Alf Elliott & Gerry Williams - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT  Date and winner confirmed in the Stenner's Annual

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12 hours ago, daveallan81 said:

25/09 Sheffield Silver Helmet - tie between Dent Oliver & Wally Lloyd - ANY OUTRIGHT WINNER?

14/10 Southampton Best Riders Trophy winner Wally Green - CONFIRM DATE & RESULT

25/09 Sheffield - The report in Speedway World stated ' Dent Oliver ran out a brilliant winner, with team mate Wally Lloyd second'.  Oliver 14, Lloyd 13, Jay and Langton 11.  Speedway News reported the same outcome.  The scorechart shown for W Lloyd on the Researcher website is incorrect, the heat results show he recorded 3, 2, 3, 2, 3 not 3, 2, 3, 3, 3.

14/10 Southampton  Date and winner confirmed (Speedway World), Green 15, Bob Oakley 14, Bert Cr. 13

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2 hours ago, BL65 said:

25/09 Sheffield - The report in Speedway World stated ' Dent Oliver ran out a brilliant winner, with team mate Wally Lloyd second'.  Oliver 14, Lloyd 13, Jay and Langton 11.  Speedway News reported the same outcome.  The scorechart shown for W Lloyd on the Researcher website is incorrect, the heat results show he recorded 3, 2, 3, 2, 3 not 3, 2, 3, 3, 3.

14/10 Southampton  Date and winner confirmed (Speedway World), Green 15, Bob Oakley 14, Bert Cr. 13

Cheers. The forum not a fan of Bert eh? :D

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These are all Rye House meetings:

06/04, 04/05, 01/06, 22/07 and 03/08 are all dates only - anything take place?

20/04 Best Pairs - CONFIRM DATE & WINNERS

15/06 Jim Coy's Team v Wally Green's Team 29-43 - DATE & RESULT

29/06 v Chalfonts - DATE & RESULT

13/07 Senior Challenge (IND) winner A. Flack - DATE & WINNER

07/09 Hertfordshire Championship ((IND) - DATE & WINNER

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2 hours ago, daveallan81 said:

These are all Rye House meetings:

06/04, 04/05, 01/06, 22/07 and 03/08 are all dates only - anything take place?

20/04 Best Pairs - CONFIRM DATE & WINNERS

15/06 Jim Coy's Team v Wally Green's Team 29-43 - DATE & RESULT

29/06 v Chalfonts - DATE & RESULT

13/07 Senior Challenge (IND) winner A. Flack - DATE & WINNER

07/09 Hertfordshire Championship ((IND) - DATE & WINNER

15/06 Date and result confirmed (Speedway World)

29/06 Date confirmed, Rye House won but the score is unknown; the return at Chalfonts (grass speedway) took place on 6th July, when Chalfonts avenged the defeat at Rye House, winning 47-35

13/07 Senior Challenge winner Arthur Flack; Junior Challenge winner Eric Dunn; Match Races - Flack beat Broncho Wilson 2-1 (Speedway World)

22/07 Presumably this should be Sunday 27th July, with Speedway World reporting that there would be a meeting on that date, although not specifying the nature of it; 22nd was unlikely for Rye House as it was Tuesday

07/09 Date confirmed; winner Wally Green, beating Nobby Stock, Jimmy Coy and Jock Grierson in the final

 

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2 hours ago, BL65 said:

22/07 Presumably this should be Sunday 27th July, with Speedway World reporting that there would be a meeting on that date, although not specifying the nature of it; 22nd was unlikely for Rye House as it was Tuesday

Yes indeed the 27th, apologies for that.

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15/06 confirmed - Filled in programme

20/04 - Date confirmed - Partly filled in programme which is hard to decipher. Also some of the heat results are not filled in at all and the score chart at the end is not filled in, so I can't work out who won, though looking at the heats that are filled in, it looks likely that the winning pair was either P. Robinson and M Flack or G Bason and E Irons.

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It's interesting to see George Bason involved in many 1946-1947 era Rye House meetings. He had a long career in speedway - starting at Oxford in 1938-39.

His speedway career lasted until the late 1960s-early 1970s when he was a member of the Victor Boston speedway group in Northern France.

Among British tracks Bason rode for post-war were West Ham, Wembley, Wimbledon, Southampton, Liverpool, Swindon and California-in-England.

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If I'm correct, the Midlands v South Cup qualifying rounds were split into two groups. The Southern group (Eastbourne, Exeter, Plymouth & Southampton) seems to be in order. The Midlands group (Cradley Heath, Hanley, Tamworth & Wombwell) however seems to be missing a fixture, namely Cradley v Wombwell.

The dates I have for Heathens Cubs(!) are:

04/07 at Wombwell

04/08 v Tamworth

04/08 at Tamworth

28/08 at Hanley

29/10 v Hanley (staged at Tamworth)

The final was staged 05/11 so I'm surmising that following the 29/10 fixture the Wombwell match became a dead rubber and wasn't run. But was there any attempt to run it beforehand as I have no entry for a postponed fixture?

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29/10 Tamworth 64 Hanley 32 (MvSC) - 1948 Stenner's.

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17 minutes ago, norbold said:

29/10 Tamworth 64 Hanley 32 (MvSC) - 1948 Stenner's.

According to available sources that match was Cradley v Hanley.

Tamworth beat Hanley 60-35 on 1st October.

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1 hour ago, daveallan81 said:

If I'm correct, the Midlands v South Cup qualifying rounds were split into two groups. The Southern group (Eastbourne, Exeter, Plymouth & Southampton) seems to be in order. The Midlands group (Cradley Heath, Hanley, Tamworth & Wombwell) however seems to be missing a fixture, namely Cradley v Wombwell.

The dates I have for Heathens are:

04/07 at Wombwell

04/08 v Tamworth

04/08 at Tamworth

28/08 at Hanley

29/10 v Hanley (staged at Tamworth)

The final was staged 05/11 so I'm surmising that following the 29/10 fixture the Wombwell match became a dead rubber and wasn't run. But was there any attempt to run it beforehand as I have no entry for a postponed fixture?

The Cradley Hearth v Wombwell match in the Midlands v South Cup never appeared in the fixture list and as late as 13th September it was noted in the Cradley Heath programme as 'still to be arranged'.  Cradley Heath ran out of dates, with the first home fixture not having been staged until 21st June and the last two 'home' meetings being held at Birmingham and Hanley.

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52 minutes ago, daveallan81 said:

According to available sources that match was Cradley v Hanley.

Tamworth beat Hanley 60-35 on 1st October.

Yes, Stenner's has that match on 1 October as well!

 

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1 minute ago, norbold said:

Yes, Stenner's has that match on 1 October as well!

Maybe the match on 29 October was Cradley v. Hanley but run at Tamworth? What else could it be? I presume there must have been a match on that date for Stenner's to have a score?

As I noted in the original post - 29/10 (Cubs NOT Heathens!) v Hanley (staged at Tamworth) :D

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