MARK246 243 Posted July 15, 2008 Er, how can you prove it at the highest level until you're given a chance to do so..?! After all, as there's no proper World Individual Championship anymore (just a closed-shop GP series) then unlike, say, Collins, Lee & Carter of the past who could use their ability when still young to get there (ie the highest level), the likes of Tai, Ben, James and Ed need to get picked in the World Cup.. And as I said before it's physically impossible for them to do any worse..! But does Lynch have the fortitude to drop the riders to do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,618 Posted July 15, 2008 Whilst I agree with your point about top class riders being able to ride on any type of track, why wasn't the track prepared to favour the home side as it is in every other country? We all knew we had a weakness in the gating dept and Chris Harris is a racer so whats the problem with preparing a track accordingly? Is it ?poland was slick for the first round as well it never suited them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parsloes 1928 nearly 495 Posted July 15, 2008 But does Lynch have the fortitude to drop the riders to do it. I would say highly unlikely..!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARK246 243 Posted July 15, 2008 I would say highly unlikely..!! We live in hope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squire 0 Posted July 15, 2008 You can all argue as much as ya like but the fact remains that the Danes whinged to get what they wanted cos in practice They we're the crap riders. For what I can see its simply sensible debate Colin, not arguments as such. However: Performance impressive in the practice, means zilch and counts for nothing. Sorry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beeone 0 Posted July 15, 2008 For what I can see its simply sensible debate Colin, not arguments as such. However: Performance impressive in the practice, means zilch and counts for nothing. Sorry Absolutely right, the Brits were simply not good enough, Scott Nicholls four points, come on, he is our National Champion and Swindon wasn't a foot deep in dirt when he won that was it!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,060 Posted July 15, 2008 Whilst I agree with your point about top class riders being able to ride on any type of track, why wasn't the track prepared to favour the home side as it is in every other country? We all knew we had a weakness in the gating dept and Chris Harris is a racer so whats the problem with preparing a track accordingly? Was thinking the same last night,surely Jim Lynch talked to his riders before hand to see how they wanted the track then passed that onto whoever does the track at Coventry.You can bet that the track at Vojen on saturday will be suited towards the Danes.There may have been a stockcar meeting over the weekend at Brandon but even so I dont think its rocket science to get the track how our riders wanted it.Didnt Ermolenko say something about practise affecting track conditions. Think maybe we are giving our riders an easy excuse,the track was the same for everybody and with all our current or ex- Coventry riders they must have ridden Coventry when it was slick in the passed.No I think we just werent or arent good enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,827 Posted July 15, 2008 put a ten year plan in place its the only way ANY manager can do his job. unless the BSPA and authorities work together for the future of British speedway we will remain 2nd (or currently) 5th rated. Its down to the authorities to put the future of this country right. NOT the manager and not, to a lesser extent, the riders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blink9620 0 Posted July 15, 2008 The slick track = no passing theory is a total myth...perfectly illustrated last night! It's about knowing the lines and have the testicular fortitude to try them, aligned with a will to win rather than track conditions a lot of the time. so rico comes out with the classic quote the track is completely different to practice hello world have we had this before so if its grippy in practice it going to be slick in the meeting so they should all know how to set the bike up the 3 other teams did right from the start whoever pays for team gb should hire a track out in denmark for wednesday and have a whole day at getting a set up for a slick track because everybody can guess what vojens will be like SLICK cos its ole's stadium and ole loves it SLICK as for scott nicholls bad night i agree maybe at the end of the season if he's not in the top 10 and no wild card is given to him again it will get him going like it did to hans andersen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,672 Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) Something that a mate said to me last night. Our team was picked on the basis of having Coventry track specialists and three of them are still riding for them this year. Where are Coventry in the EL, that's right, second from bottom. Not a great start for picking a team is it?????? If they were such track specialist they would have home averages over 10 each. Edited July 15, 2008 by screamer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mervjankefanclub 48 Posted July 15, 2008 (edited) whoever pays for team gb should hire a track out in denmark for wednesday and have a whole day at getting a set up for a slick track because everybody can guess what vojens will be like SLICK cos its ole's stadium and ole loves it SLICK there is every possibility that a bit of dirt could be put down for thursday night blink so that the two qualifying countries arent riding a full meeting on a slick track and getting dialled in before saturdays final but whatever happens i dont believe the track will be set up completely the same for both meetings also i assume there is no practice before this meeting its just straight into it with practice before fridays final Edited July 15, 2008 by mervjankefanclub Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Subedei 0 Posted July 15, 2008 there is every possibility that a bit of dirt could be put down for thursday night blink so that the two qualifying countries arent riding a full meeting on a slick track and getting dialled in before saturdays final but whatever happens i dont believe the track will be set up completely the same for both meetings also i assume there is no practice before this meeting its just straight into it with practice before fridays final No, there's practice - it'll be on Wednesday, I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blink9620 0 Posted July 15, 2008 there is every possibility that a bit of dirt could be put down for thursday night blink so that the two qualifying countries arent riding a full meeting on a slick track and getting dialled in before saturdays final but whatever happens i dont believe the track will be set up completely the same for both meetings also i assume there is no practice before this meeting its just straight into it with practice before fridays final ole cant make a track grippy for a meeting can he , grips only for practice so to confuse people on the day you would think the riders would suss this out by now must admit merv its a good call . denmark & ole dont do grip do they but as denmark dont compete in race off you could be right if its slick in pratice its grippy in the meeting maybe lynch might pass this on to our boys if he can see it or has he blinkered vision as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mervjankefanclub 48 Posted July 15, 2008 one we all know for sure blink is it wont be the same for the whole week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jo_1515 0 Posted July 16, 2008 Er, how can you prove it at the highest level until you're given a chance to do so..?! After all, as there's no proper World Individual Championship anymore (just a closed-shop GP series) then unlike, say, Collins, Lee & Carter of the past who could use their ability when still young to get there (ie the highest level), the likes of Tai, Ben, James and Ed need to get picked in the World Cup.. And as I said before it's physically impossible for them to do any worse..! By the highest level I mean the highest league ie. the elite league. He hasn't proved himself in the elite league so why should he be any better than someone who has performed well in the elite league? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites