Ghostwalker 1,863 Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) Swedish Individual Championship 2013, Vetlanda, August 30th - 31st The following riders will ride in the final: Friday August 30th 19.00 1. Jonas Davidsson, Lejonen 2. Daniel Nermark, Västervik 3. Fredrik Lindgren, Dackarna 4. Daniel Davidsson, Lejonen 5. Andreas Jonsson, Ikaros Smederna 6. Simon Gustafsson, Rospiggarna 7. Anders Mellgren, Vargarna 8. Peter Ljung, Västervik 9. Dennis Andersson, Dackarna 10. Ludvig Lindgren, Griparna 11. Thomas H Jonasson, Elit Vetlanda 12. Kim Nilsson, Rospiggarna 13. Peter Karlsson, Ikaros Smederna Joonas Kylmäkorpi, Örnarna 14. Magnus Zetterström, Ikaros Smederna Oliver Berntzon, Ikaros Smederna 15. Antonio Lindbäck, Indianerna 16. Mikael Max, Hammarby ---------------------- 17. Joonas Kylmäkorpi, Örnarna Oliver Berntzon, Ikaros Smederna Mathias Thörnblom, FNC-Gnistorna 18. Jacob Thorssell, Masarna Oliver Berntzon, Ikaros Smederna Mathias Thörnblom, FNC-Gnistorna U21 final lineup: Saturday August 31st 15.00 1. Eric Åshede, Lejonen 2. Oliver Berntzon, Ikaros Smederna 3. Kenny Wennerstam, Elit Vetlanda 4. Joel Andersson, Indianerna 5. Mathias Thörnblom, FNC-Gnistorna 6. Rasmus Eklöf, Griparna 7. John Lindman, Griparna 8. Jacob Thorssell, Masarna Alexander Johansson, Piraterna 9. Fredrik Engman, Örnarna 10. Henric Lindqvist, Elit Vetlanda 11. Victor Palovaara, Rospiggarna 12. Freddy Godlund, Örnarna 13. Rasmus Broberg, Masarna 14. Oskar Karlsson, Västervik 15. Joel Larsson, Dackarna 16. Tim Gudmundsson, Lejonen ------------------------------- 17. Alexander Johansson, Piraterna Adrian Bergqvist, Örnarna 18. Adrian Bergqvist, Örnarna Freddie Broms, Masarna USM-FINAL Saturday August 31st, 11.00 1. Joakim Christensen, Dackarna 2. Emil Millberg, Masarna 3. Christoffer Selvin, Örnarna 4. Jonathan Ejnermark, Örnarna 5. Andreas Runesson, Elit Vetlanda 6. Johannes Stark, Smederna 7. Jonathan Andersson, Skepparna 8. Robin Norman, Masarna 9. Henrik Bergström, Skepparna 10. Alexander Woentin, Elit Vetlanda 11. Maksymilian Bogdanowicz, Gnistorna 12. Jesper Aspgren, Masarna 13. Joel Kling, Dackarna 14. Oskar Thulin, Elit Vetlanda 15. Filip Hjelmland, Dackarna 16. Sebastian Selvin, Örnarna ----------------------------------------- 17. Anton Karlsson, Skepparna 18. Hugo Sandahl, Elit Vetlanda sources: http://www.svemo.se/...MHelgiVetlanda/ http://www.smederna....ews&newsid=2703 http://www.svemo.se/...neringarSM2013/ For the U21 event its the same rules, 8 seeded riders, one qualifying event and a qualifying heat: http://www.svemo.se/...ineringJSM2013/ The U21 final will be held at Vetlanda on August 31st. the qualifying event is at Nässjö on July 27th. Vetlanda, July 28th. See this post. the 80cc riders do not have seeded riders to the final so they have two qualifying event with 8 riders from each event goes through to the final. Both qualifying events have one qualifying heat each. Qualifying event 1 is at Malmö and event 2 is at Mariestad. Both are held on August 3rd. The final is at Vetlanda on August 31st. http://www.svemo.se/...torUSMKval2013/ Edited August 30, 2013 by Ghostwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchesterpaul 447 Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) Do you have a list of recent or all winners? Oh Wow! surprised even myself. I couldn't find direct links within Wikipedia from the expected pages but did after a few minutes unearth this Year__ Venue___ Winner__________ Second__________ Third. 2012 ~ Vetlanda ~~~ Daniel Nermark ~~~ Andreas Jonsson ~~~ Thomas H Jonasson 2011 ~ Målilla ~~~ Andreas Jonsson ~~~ Fredrik Lindgren ~~~ Antonio Lindbäck 2010 ~ Målilla ~~~ Andreas Jonsson ~~~ Fredrik Lindgren ~~~ Magnus Zetterström 2009 ~ Målilla ~~~ Andreas Jonsson ~~~ Fredrik Lindgren ~~~ Thomas H. Jonasson 2008 ~ Avesta ~~~ Magnus Zetterström ~~~ Jonas Davidsson ~~~ Thomas H. Jonasson 2007 ~ Kumla ~~~ Andreas Jonsson ~~~ Jonas Davidsson ~~~ Peter Karlsson 2006 ~ Motala ~~~ Andreas Jonsson ~~~ Antonio Lindbäck ~~~ Fredrik Lindgren 2005 ~ Vetlanda ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Peter Karlsson ~~~ Mikael Max 2004 ~ Målilla ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Antonio Lindbäck ~~~ Mikael Max 2003 ~ Hagfors ~~~ Stefan Dannö ~~~ Stefan Andersson ~~~ Mikael Max 2002 ~ Eskilstuna ~~~ Niklas Klingberg ~~~ Mikael Max ~~~ Peter Karlsson 2001 ~ Avesta ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Mikael Max ~~~ Andreas Jonsson 2000 ~ Målilla ~~~ Henrik Gustafsson ~~~ Niklas Klingberg ~~~ Mikael Max 1999 ~ Norrköping ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Peter Karlsson ~~~ Mikael Max 1998 ~ Hagfors ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Mikael Max ~~~ Peter Karlsson 1997 ~ Vetlanda ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Henrik Gustafsson ~~~ Peter Karlsson 1996 ~ Hallstavik ~~~ Jimmy Nilsen ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Henrik Gustafsson 1995 ~ Kumla ~~~ Henrik Gustafsson ~~~ Peter Karlsson ~~~ Kenneth Lindby 1994 ~ Västervik ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Henrik Gustafsson ~~~ Jimmy Nilsen 1993 ~ Linköping ~~~ Per Jonsson ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Henrik Gustafsson 1992 ~ Mariestad ~~~ John Cook ~~~ Per Jonsson ~~~ Claes Ivarsson 1991 ~ Vetlanda ~~~ Peter Karlsson ~~~ Peter Nahlin ~~~ Per Jonsson 1990 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Tony Rickardsson ~~~ Erik Stenlund ~~~ Per Jonsson 1989 ~ Eskilstuna ~~~ Peter Karlsson ~~~ Mikael Blixt ~~~ Per Jonsson 1988 ~ Kumla ~~~ Per Jonsson ~~~ Roland Dannö ~~~ Peter Nahlin 1987 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Per Jonsson ~~~ Jan Andersson ~~~ Jimmy Nilsen 1986 ~ Norrköping ~~~ Per Jonsson ~~~ Jan Andersson ~~~ Jimmy Nilsen 1985 ~ Målilla ~~~ Erik Stenlund ~~~ Tommy Nilsson ~~~ Jan Andersson 1984 ~ Karlstad ~~~ Jan Andersson ~~~ Jimmy Nilsen ~~~ Ulf Blomqvist 1983 ~ Mariestad ~~~ Tommy Nilsson ~~~ Jan Andersson ~~~ Björn Andersson 1982 ~ Eskilstuna ~~~ Anders Michanek ~~~ Tommy Nilsson ~~~ Jan Andersson 1981 ~ Vetlanda ~~~ Jan Andersson ~~~ Hans Danielsson ~~~ Tommy Nilsson 1980 ~ Eskilstuna ~~~ Jan Andersson ~~~ Börje Klingberg ~~~ Hans Danielsson 1979 ~ Kumla ~~~ Jan Andersson ~~~ Lillebror Johansson ~~~ Bernt Persson 1978 ~ Eskilstuna ~~~ Anders Michanek ~~~ Bengt Jansson ~~~ Bernt Persson 1977 ~ Kumla ~~~ Bernt Persson ~~~ Tommy Nilsson ~~~ Sören Karlsson 1976 ~ Vetlanda ~~~ Anders Michanek ~~~ Bernt Persson ~~~ Christer Löfqvist 1975 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Anders Michanek ~~~ Hans Holmqvist ~~~ Tommy Jansson 1974 ~ Eskilstuna ~~~ Tommy Jansson ~~~ Anders Michanek ~~~ Tommy Johansson 1973 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Tommy Johansson ~~~ Bo Wirebrand ~~~ Tommy Jansson 1972 ~ Borås ~~~ Anders Michanek ~~~ Bengt Jansson ~~~ Bernt Persson 1971 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Göte Nordin ~~~ Anders Michanek ~~~ Leif Enecrona 1970 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Bernt Persson ~~~ Anders Michanek 1969 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Göte Nordin ~~~ Anders Michanek 1968 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Leif Enecrona ~~~ Torbjörn Harrysson ~~~ Hans Holmqvist 1967 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Bo Josefsson ~~~ Torbjörn Harrysson 1966 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Sören Sjösten ~~~ Bengt Jansson 1965 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Göte Nordin ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Leif Larsson 1964 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Rune Sörmander ~~~ Björn Knutsson 1963 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Björn Knutsson ~~~ Göte Nordin ~~~ Sören Sjösten 1962 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Göte Nordin ~~~ Sören Sjösten 1961 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Björn Knutsson ~~~ Leif Larsson ~~~ Rune Sörmander 1960 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Björn Knutsson ~~~ Curt Nyqvist 1959 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Rune Sörmander ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Olle Nygren 1958 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Rune Sörmander ~~~ Olle Nygren ~~~ Ove Fundin 1957 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Per-Olof Söderman ~~~ Rune Sörmander 1956 ~ Gothenburg ~~~ Ove Fundin ~~~ Lars Pettersson ~~~ Per-Olof Söderman 1955 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Rune Sörmander ~~~ Olle Nygren ~~~ Ove Fundin 1954 ~ Final not staged 1953 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Göran Norlén ~~~ Bert Lindarw ~~~ Olle Heyman 1952 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Göte Olsson ~~~ Sune Karlsson ~~~ Bert Lindarw 1951 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Helge Brinkeback ~~~ Göte Olsson ~~~ Sune Karlsson 1950 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Helge Brinkeback ~~~ Eskil Carlsson ~~~ Linus Eriksson 1949 ~ Stockholm ~~~ Olle Nygren ~~~ Sune Karlsson ~~~ Einar Lindqvist Edited June 24, 2013 by manchesterpaul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brandonbee48 1,194 Posted June 24, 2013 Oh what great memories are revived by seeing those names again and what a proud speedway heritage Sweden has. The name that evoked the greatest smile was the 1992 winner. What's Swedish for "Cowboy"/ Did he take out Swedish citizenship or was he qualified by domicile ? A 19 year old Olle the first champion and still going strong today. As Bob Hope sang "Thanks For The Memories" Thanks again. Alan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchesterpaul 447 Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) Was going to mention the same thing about some of the names stirring good memories. Of course sad memories too such as Tommy Jansson, so young indeed and full of the greatest promise. A weak looking name in the roll of honour, and only the one (well presuming Daniel Nermark goes on to greater things??) would be Stefan Danno? Did the top riders not compete in 2003? Edited June 25, 2013 by manchesterpaul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
500cc 309 Posted June 25, 2013 Surprised Freddie Lindgren yet to win a title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,863 Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) Surprised Freddie Lindgren yet to win a title. You have good point there, but I think he will have a good chance this year, he usually rides pretty good at Vetlanda and Jonsson is not really in good form this year, Nermark is injured, Lindbäck is out of form and THJ is "always" (more or less) injured. PK is a dark horse and on a good day he can beat them all. Edited June 25, 2013 by Ghostwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave the Mic 258 Posted June 25, 2013 Was going to mention the same thing about some of the names stirring good memories. Of course sad memories too such as Tommy Jansson, so young indeed and full of the greatest promise. A weak looking name in the roll of honour, and only the one (well presuming Daniel Nermark goes on to greater things??) would be Stefan Danno? Did the top riders not compete in 2003? SM-final. Hagfors 2/8. 1.Stefan Dannö Vals 3 2 3 3 3 3 2.Stefan Andersson LS 2 3 3 2 3.Mikael Max LS 3 2 2 1 4.Peter Karlsson Kap 3 0 2 2 0 5.Freddie Eriksson Rosp 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 6.Fredrik Lindgren Pir 3 2 1 7.Antonio Lindbäck Gas 3 3 1 3 3 0 8.Andreas Jonsson Rosp 2 1 3 U 9.Magnus Zetterström Smed 1 3 3 0 2 1 10.Peter Ljung LS 3 2 2 0 1 11.Robert Johansson Väst 2 0 1 1 3 0 12.Daniel Nermark Varg 0 2 2 2 1 F 13.Henrik Gustafsson Ind 3 3 S 1 14.Mattias Nilsson VMS 2 0 1 0 1 15.Björn Gustavsson VMS 1 3 3 1 F 16.Tobias Johansson LS 0 F 17.Peter I Karlsson Vals 2 1 0 18.Magnus Karlsson Kap 0 2 0 19.Jonas Davidsson Rosp 1 1 20.Emil Kramer Örn 0 1 21.Rickard Sedelius TB 1 0 Daniel Davidsson Smed ES Niklas Klingberg Mas ES Tony Rickardsson Mas ES A little harsh on Stefan Danno to be honest. Rode in the SGP for three years and finish third in two finals, ahead of such poor performers as Tony Rickardsson and Nicki Pedersen. He also raced in the last one off World Final in 1994. Twice the rider Nermark is, who, incidentally finished 12th in the meeting you refer to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchesterpaul 447 Posted June 25, 2013 SM-final. Hagfors 2/8. 1.Stefan Dannö Vals 3 2 3 3 3 3 2.Stefan Andersson LS 2 3 3 2 3.Mikael Max LS 3 2 2 1 4.Peter Karlsson Kap 3 0 2 2 0 5.Freddie Eriksson Rosp 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 6.Fredrik Lindgren Pir 3 2 1 7.Antonio Lindbäck Gas 3 3 1 3 3 0 8.Andreas Jonsson Rosp 2 1 3 U 9.Magnus Zetterström Smed 1 3 3 0 2 1 10.Peter Ljung LS 3 2 2 0 1 11.Robert Johansson Väst 2 0 1 1 3 0 12.Daniel Nermark Varg 0 2 2 2 1 F 13.Henrik Gustafsson Ind 3 3 S 1 14.Mattias Nilsson VMS 2 0 1 0 1 15.Björn Gustavsson VMS 1 3 3 1 F 16.Tobias Johansson LS 0 F 17.Peter I Karlsson Vals 2 1 0 18.Magnus Karlsson Kap 0 2 0 19.Jonas Davidsson Rosp 1 1 20.Emil Kramer Örn 0 1 21.Rickard Sedelius TB 1 0 Daniel Davidsson Smed ES Niklas Klingberg Mas ES Tony Rickardsson Mas ES A little harsh on Stefan Danno to be honest. Rode in the SGP for three years and finish third in two finals, ahead of such poor performers as Tony Rickardsson and Nicki Pedersen. He also raced in the last one off World Final in 1994. Twice the rider Nermark is, who, incidentally finished 12th in the meeting you refer to. Sorry you've lost me totally on this. He won his title at a time when i had dropped out of speedway so i didn't know of his involvement in the SGP, BUT my whole point is what else did he ever win? On a personal level i have never ever heard of his name so was inquiring as even though i didn't follow speedway for over a decade i still have heard SINCE of pretty much ALL the other riders. I'm genuinely very confused at you showing the detailed result of a final that has Tony Rickardsson not having competed??? Which makes me ask again where was, for example, Tony Rickardsson a previous winner and winner the following two seasons, where was Danno in those years?, never ever in the top three before or after. What was behind his one-off win, was he a gater and on the night it an ultra slick track or what?. How can you compare his few SGP podium places with the heap of title wins and top threes by Rickardsson and Pedersen by, albeit not seriously, referring to the latter two as by inference poor riders. I did question whether Nermark will turn out to be a second DUFF/FREAK winner of the title. Do you have say a list of Danno's averages in the world's top leagues year-on-year and are they at a comparable level to the other top riders and winners of the Swedish title? Again i point out i was out of speedway for over a decade so i need to ask, did he lead the world's top clubs to league championships at the top of the clubs averages etc? I swear not being argumentative just genuine questions and seeking of stats to correct that my initial assumption that he was a one-off on the night (fluke-ish) winner . Which is why the SGP SERIES comes up with a true best rider in the world over a season and not someone who is lucky to take advantage of a single engine failure etc. of an opponent on a night over five races, whilst having been outclassed all season long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,863 Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) well MP, I don't agree regarding Nermark, the past couple of seasons he have been a fairly consistent top 20 scorer in Elitserien. In 2012 he was the third best Swede in Elitserien with an average of 1,719 , in 2011 he had 1,782 making him the second best after Jonsson and 13th best overall. I think Nermark's problem is that he, like THJ spending too much time injured. Edited June 26, 2013 by Ghostwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
500cc 309 Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) Sorry you've lost me totally on this. He won his title at a time when i had dropped out of speedway so i didn't know of his involvement in the SGP, BUT my whole point is what else did he ever win? On a personal level i have never ever heard of his name so was inquiring as even though i didn't follow speedway for over a decade i still have heard SINCE of pretty much ALL the other riders. I'm genuinely very confused at you showing the detailed result of a final that has Tony Rickardsson not having competed??? Which makes me ask again where was, for example, Tony Rickardsson a previous winner and winner the following two seasons, where was Danno in those years?, never ever in the top three before or after. What was behind his one-off win, was he a gater and on the night it an ultra slick track or what?. How can you compare his few SGP podium places with the heap of title wins and top threes by Rickardsson and Pedersen by, albeit not seriously, referring to the latter two as by inference poor riders. I did question whether Nermark will turn out to be a second DUFF/FREAK winner of the title. Do you have say a list of Danno's averages in the world's top leagues year-on-year and are they at a comparable level to the other top riders and winners of the Swedish title? Again i point out i was out of speedway for over a decade so i need to ask, did he lead the world's top clubs to league championships at the top of the clubs averages etc? I swear not being argumentative just genuine questions and seeking of stats to correct that my initial assumption that he was a one-off on the night (fluke-ish) winner . Which is why the SGP SERIES comes up with a true best rider in the world over a season and not someone who is lucky to take advantage of a single engine failure etc. of an opponent on a night over five races, whilst having been outclassed all season long. Bit confused why because you haven't heard of him, you categorise him as a weak link. Why not include Niklas Klingberg from the year before. No Rickardsson in the top 3 that year either. Klingberg had one other top 3 (no Rickardsson again) but that's it. Danno has more than one GP final. The younger Klingberg none. Danno had a previous world final. Their British League averages were very comparable. Was Danno a superstar? No. A Duff no. He's won more Swedish titles than Karlsson/Max/Lindgren combined in the last 20 years. That suggests to me that the Swedish title isn't that easy to win. Would he be a duff if he'd won 3 times, like say Andy Smith at the British? 10/12 years is a career in speedway terms. If you've dropped out of speedway for that long then your obviously not going to know the details of many riders. You seem determined to categorise him as a duff despite being shown the quality of the field he beat in 2003 and a pretty good international career. Just look at the quality of the top 3 for the the 15 years before he won. It's virtually a who's/who of world class riders. He's not a duff because he didn't break that stranglehold. It's like calling Mark Loram a duff world champion. Edited June 26, 2013 by 500cc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave the Mic 258 Posted June 26, 2013 MP, the reason for the posting is partly as has been mentioned by 500cc. You mention Danno, but you could easily mention Nermark, Klingberg, Zorro, Tommy Nilsson and Erik Stenlund in the same vein, so why him? None were world class performers but all won the title. Nilsson rode in World Finals as a seed when the finals were in Sweden a couple of times, Kilngberg had a flirtation with the GP, Zorro had one season in a recent series, Nermark was a wildcard and Stenlund was a world ice champion, but never a star on shale. It doesn't make any of them less worthy of their win, does it? Fact is they were best on the day, as Szczakiel was in the 73 World Final. Regardless of what anyone else may think. Rickardsson may not have competed but look at who did - AJ, PK, Henka, Lindback, Lindgren, Mikael Max, Zorro, Stefan Andersson, to name a few. Danno took six rides and dropped a point. That makes him a worthy winner in my book, regardless of the track conditions or anything else. As 500cc says, just because he didn't figure in any other championship, doesn't mean his win was a freak, Loram was never in the top three of the worlds apart from his title in 2000, nor Havelock apart from his win in 92, but I witnessed every heat of both and believe me, they deserved their wins. As Danno did. In addition, you cite his and Nermarks league records as being comparable. That's as may be, but the Elite League in this country, for example, is ten fold weaker than it was when Danno rode and. For me, that makes Nermark's win more remarkable as Danno competed when speedway was arguably stronger with more top class riders around than there are today. I simply was trying to point out that his win was deserved and was ahead of many excellent riders and as 500cc says, given you were out of touch with speedway for a long period, that could easily have spanned Danno's entire career, so the point of posting the results and stating his GP and World Final exploits were to serve the point that he was a decent performer and his title win was not as much of a freak as you might have suggested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchesterpaul 447 Posted June 26, 2013 well MP, I don't agree regarding Nermark, the past couple of seasons he have been a fairly consistent top 20 scorer in Elitserien. In 2012 he was the third best Swede in Elitserien with an average of 1,719 , in 2011 he had 1,782 making him the second best after Jonsson and 13th best overall. I think Nermark's problem is that he, like THJ spending too much time injured. Sorry if i've not made that clear, i'm not saying at all that Nermark won't develop, indeed i was indicating it more likely he will become a very good rider. Bit confused why because you haven't heard of him, you categorise him as a weak link. Why not include Niklas Klingberg from the year before. No Rickardsson in the top 3 that year either. Klingberg had one other top 3 (no Rickardsson again) but that's it. .....Would he be a duff if he'd won 3 times, like say Andy Smith at the British? Yeah i just saw Klingberg later on so include him too lol. I wasn't around when Andy Smith was winning titles so don't know the quality level of the other British riders at the time. However from the list of Swedish champions i see the quality of their riders. As to your other points and others, i was actually 'asking' IF he was a duff winner. I further asked if he had cut it year after year with high averages in the top league, did he? I also asked how he won on the night was it a five gates on a wet slick track? Or a fighting racing performance beating riders in close battles etc. whom he had also beat many times during the season? The weakness of the old one-off World Finals was a rider who totally dominated the sport in any given year and rarely being beat, could not win the title because of a single fall or engine failure on one night. One-off track and/or weather conditions levelling the 'playing field' to discard season long superior skill and utter supremacy. Was going to mention the same thing about some of the names stirring good memories. Of course sad memories too such as Tommy Jansson, so young indeed and full of the greatest promise. A weak looking name in the roll of honour, and only the one (well presuming Daniel Nermark goes on to greater things??) would be Stefan Danno? Did the top riders not compete in 2003? Fact is they were best on the day, as Szczakiel was in the 73 World Final. Regardless of what anyone else may think. Hmmm was he though? I think other factors helped but that's history now i guess. Regards the rest of your points, no problem and i reiterate i did actually ask 'if' he was a duff winner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted June 27, 2013 Stenclund and nillson in 83 and 85 stand out ss the weakest champions for me. an era in which Jan Anderson was the only world class swede, the great ofvthe 70s retired or well past their peak, and nilsen and Jonsson yet to emerge as world class. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 21,109 Posted June 27, 2013 Yes a strange comment to say only the one weak looking name.A few there i would say.But what really surprises me looking at the list is that Varg-Olle only won the one title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manchesterpaul 447 Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Yes a strange comment to say only the one weak looking name.A few there i would say.But what really surprises me looking at the list is that Varg-Olle only won the one title. A stranger comment lol to not take on board my clarification that i had done a cursory glance and indeed Klingberg was another example of a 'possibly' unlikely winner, also i was asking if he/they were rogue winners for whatever reasons. ............Yeah i just saw Klingberg later on so include him too lol. .............As to your other points and others, i was actually 'asking' IF he was a duff winner. I further asked if he had cut it year after year with high averages in the top league, did he? I also asked how he won on the night was it a five gates on a wet slick track? Or a fighting racing performance beating riders in close battles etc. whom he had also beat many times during the season? ..............Regards the rest of your points, no problem and i reiterate i did actually ask 'if' he was a duff winner. So not too strange after all? I noticed only the one win of Olle Nygren but knowing he rode for many years, i thought that maybe it's very much an incomplete list in that it only begins in 1949? or he was already past his peak, then again maybe he's not quite that old lol. Stenclund and nillson in 83 and 85 stand out ss the weakest champions for me. an era in which Jan Anderson was the only world class swede, the great ofvthe 70s retired or well past their peak, and nilsen and Jonsson yet to emerge as world class. Your explanation is probably the reason why they were able to win their titles. However. Danno and Klingbergs's wins came amidst Tony Rickardsson's reign which is why they stand out more, although i did suspect and asked as to whether the top riders failed to compete when they won, and 'Dave the mic' actually proved that thought to be true with regards Danno's triumph at least. Edited June 28, 2013 by manchesterpaul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
