foamfence 2,917 Posted November 29, 2013 So Poole get last pick in draft 1 and dont pick Newman but instead pick No10 on the list. They lose the protection to pick Newman but as they have the lowest ranked rider from draft 1 get first pick in draft 2. So they then get Newman anyway and end up with by far the strongest pairing. The only thing to prevent this happening is another team making a lowly pick in draft 1. No, because Newman is then available for anyone else to pick and protected riders can only be in the first round of picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedibee 3,091 Posted November 29, 2013 So Poole get last pick in draft 1 and dont pick Newman but instead pick No10 on the list. They lose the protection to pick Newman but as they have the lowest ranked rider from draft 1 get first pick in draft 2. So they then get Newman anyway and end up with by far the strongest pairing. The only thing to prevent this happening is another team making a lowly pick in draft 1. If there wasn't an advantage somewhere for Poole , we wouldn't be discussing the new rules, because there wouldn't be any 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 15 Posted November 29, 2013 No, because Newman is then available for anyone else to pick and protected riders can only be in the first round of picks.But Poole would get first pick in the 2nd round if picks to select Newman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alkadera 100 Posted November 29, 2013 Surely if they don't say they want their protected asset before the first round pick then Newman will revert to being part of the 'unprotected' list and as such would be free for the other teams to pick in the first round...or is that too obvious?? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted November 29, 2013 But Poole would get first pick in the 2nd round if picks to select Newman.They have to declare beforehand if they want to retain the protected status that he has, otherwise the rider becomes available to others, protected riders are limited to the first round of picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,710 Posted November 29, 2013 No, because Newman is then available for anyone else to pick and protected riders can only be in the first round of picks.So have Poole got to declare their draft 1 pick first? I thought they had last pick? I suppose it could be that another club has to attempt to pick Newman in draft 1 and so force Poole to invoke their protection in draft 1 and pick hum then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted November 29, 2013 So have Poole got to declare their draft 1 pick first? I thought they had last pick? I suppose it could be that another club has to attempt to pick Newman in draft 1 and so force Poole to invoke their protection in draft 1 and pick hum then. If you want to retain the protected status you have to say so before the picks, there are four protected status riders, they are limited to the first pick section whatever happens. If Poole drop his status and nobody else picks him, he's out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) But Poole would get first pick in the 2nd round if picks to select Newman. No. The process is as follows. Before the draft begins the 4 clubs with the protected riders are given the choice of taking that rider, or passing on them. If Poole chose to pass on Newman he would then be available to draft. The draft then begins, with 1st pick going to Coventry. They can choose from any rider on the list + any rider effectively released by the 4 clubs above. In the 1st round of picks, those who took a protected rider don't make a pick. The 2nd round then begins, with the team who had the lowest ranked rider in Round 1 picking first, through to the team with the highest ranked rider picking last. Edited November 29, 2013 by BWitcher 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted November 29, 2013 If Poole pick him they will very likely end up with someone else near or at the bottom of the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,710 Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) They have to declare beforehand if they want to retain the protected status that he has, otherwise the rider becomes available to others, protected riders are limited to the first round of picks.So Poole say yes we do want ptotected status for Newman in draft 1. Does this mean they HAVE to pick him in draft 1 or is he just protected from other picks? If its the latter they pick the 10th ranked rider in draft 1 thus getting first pick in draft 2. The fact that protection is then lost means nothing as they get first pick in draft 2. Edit Just seen BWitchers post which makes sense and stops that abuse. Edited November 29, 2013 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beesknees 23 Posted November 29, 2013 So Poole get last pick in draft 1 and dont pick Newman but instead pick No10 on the list. They lose the protection to pick Newman but as they have the lowest ranked rider from draft 1 get first pick in draft 2. So they then get Newman anyway and end up with by far the strongest pairing. The only thing to prevent this happening is another team making a lowly pick in draft 1. I should think the 4 clubs need to declare up front if they are taking their protected asset ... It's the only way it makes any sense! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
houdi 535 Posted November 29, 2013 Very much doubt Belle Vue would be able to buy Garrity at this late stage, to try and circumvent the system of the draft, although being Speedway you never know. If Garrity is considered the best available rider in the draft, then the Bees would be mad not to draft him, although keeping Havelock shows they are not averse to making barmy decisions. Maybe collecting the wooden spoon wasn't such a bad ploy last season after all. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beesknees 23 Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) So Poole say yes we do want ptotected status for Newman in draft 1. Does this mean they HAVE to pick him in draft 1 or is he just protected from other picks? If its the latter they pick the 10th ranked rider in draft 1 thus getting first pick in draft 2. The fact that protection is then lost means nothing as they get first pick in draft 2. Edit Just seen BWitchers post which makes sense and stops that abuse. I think it's quite simple really, can't see what the confusion is! 4 protected riders for 4 clubs 4 clubs declare first if they are invoking right to use protected asset If they aren't then the assets not selected go into the draft The draft commences with Coventry able to select first rider from the pool including any of the 4 riders released at the start Then the draft continues with the next club and so on ... Edited November 29, 2013 by beesknees 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted November 29, 2013 So Poole say yes we do want ptotected status for Newman in draft 1. Does this mean they HAVE to pick him in draft 1 or is he just protected from other picks? If its the latter they pick the 10th ranked rider in draft 1 thus getting first pick in draft 2. The fact that protection is then lost means nothing as they get first pick in draft 2. Edit Just seen BWitchers post which makes sense and stops that abuse. It means if they pick him, that is their round one choice over. In round 2 the team with the lowest ranked round one rider gets first choice, so Poole will be last or near last choice from round 2. This might help. http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alan_Jones 1,005 Posted November 29, 2013 Very much doubt Belle Vue would be able to buy Garrity at this late stage, to try and circumvent the system of the draft, although being Speedway you never know. Very much doubt that Len would sell at a price that BV could afford. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
