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[A ORLOV 8,628]

So, by what other means do you suggest to bring on the kids. And how will that be financed?

It should be done by using a percentage of any income the bspa receives, ie tv income and surplus income from the meetings the bspa run, also a levy could be placed on each club.

[Tsunami 10,219]

It should be done by using a percentage of any income the bspa receives, ie tv income and surplus income from the meetings the bspa run, also a levy could be placed on each club.

There are already incentives this year to encourage teams to have NL teams. It's getting there.

[Guest]

 

Promoters are in the sport for one reason - promoting the sport not subsidising training ventures of young riders. Promoters make an initial investment and are entitled to a maximum return at the end of the day for their financial input.

As speedway is constructed in regard to riders they are all freelances and not contracted to a club. There is no purpose in a promoter training young riders when he will have no contractual hold over the end product. That's a harsh reality of the promotional world.

The training of young riders is something that needs to be dealt with through other means rather than skimming of deserved returns for a person prepared to promote a track as is the case when they allow SKY the facilities to screen one of their matches.

 

 

So, by what other means do you suggest to bring on the kids. And how will that be financed?

 

 

It should be done by using a percentage of any income the bspa receives, ie tv income and surplus income from the meetings the bspa run, also a levy could be placed on each club.

The answer is provided basically by A Orlov. The need for training young riders is the responsibility of the BSPA not of individual promoters. This funding should come from any original commission to the BSPA (if there is any - I don't know). At the end of the day, promoting a track/club is a business venture not to fund training schemes and subsequently not have the exclusive use of any talent that develops.

[theknow 2 180]

So if we look at the last 5 years of SKY tv whats has really happened to the 6.2 million. I know this is not a fortune but surely more could of been done with it.

[ten years after 3]

The answer is provided basically by A Orlov. The need for training young riders is the responsibility of the BSPA not of individual promoters. This funding should come from any original commission to the BSPA (if there is any - I don't know). At the end of the day, promoting a track/club is a business venture not to fund training schemes and subsequently not have the exclusive use of any talent that develops.

Promoters should always be prepared to fund and promote their own riders. If successful other riders will follow and ultimately

will make you club and British Speedway stronger, without those draining foreign rider on costs. Don't forget as in all sports its a numbers game and the bigger the base the higher the apex.

[speedibee 3,091]

 

 

 

 

The answer is provided basically by A Orlov. The need for training young riders is the responsibility of the BSPA not of individual promoters. This funding should come from any original commission to the BSPA (if there is any - I don't know). At the end of the day, promoting a track/club is a business venture not to fund training schemes and subsequently not have the exclusive use of any talent that develops.

The Bspa are a group of businessmen who are not very good at business , they don't have money to fund training schemes etc because when ever a significant windfall comes along , They allow other more shrewd businessmen or Tango coloured conmen to take it off them , The directors of BSI must spend a lot of time laughing at how they managed to get the Gp series out of the hands of the BSPA for a couple of magic Beans , It's got to be like all their Christmases have come at once , speedway promoters do all their training for them and pay their apprentices until they are of good enough standard to be sold as product , and even arranges it's own domestic calendar so as not to inconvenience them , and they have such little business sense that they sign up for a Tv deal which sees crowd levels for televised matches drop significantly yet tango man winds up with most of the money , how bright do you think a businessman would need to be to not sign a media rights deal that meant they had to pay media rights to show clips of their own assets on websites the media rights company forced them to buy ?

[Reliant Robin 492]

The Bspa are a group of businessmen who are not very good at business , they don't have money to fund training schemes etc because when ever a significant windfall comes along , They allow other more shrewd businessmen or Tango coloured conmen to take it off them , The directors of BSI must spend a lot of time laughing at how they managed to get the Gp series out of the hands of the BSPA for a couple of magic Beans , It's got to be like all their Christmases have come at once , speedway promoters do all their training for them and pay their apprentices until they are of good enough standard to be sold as product , and even arranges it's own domestic calendar so as not to inconvenience them , and they have such little business sense that they sign up for a Tv deal which sees crowd levels for televised matches drop significantly yet tango man winds up with most of the money , how bright do you think a businessman would need to be to not sign a media rights deal that meant they had to pay media rights to show clips of their own assets on websites the media rights company forced them to buy ?

I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere despite a lot of ill informed waffle

[John Leslie 3,213]

I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere despite a lot of ill informed waffle

I'm not so sure.

[pugwash 3,208]

The Bspa are a group of businessmen who are not very good at business , they don't have money to fund training schemes etc because when ever a significant windfall comes along , They allow other more shrewd businessmen or Tango coloured conmen to take it off them , The directors of BSI must spend a lot of time laughing at how they managed to get the Gp series out of the hands of the BSPA for a couple of magic Beans , It's got to be like all their Christmases have come at once , speedway promoters do all their training for them and pay their apprentices until they are of good enough standard to be sold as product , and even arranges it's own domestic calendar so as not to inconvenience them , and they have such little business sense that they sign up for a Tv deal which sees crowd levels for televised matches drop significantly yet tango man winds up with most of the money , how bright do you think a businessman would need to be to not sign a media rights deal that meant they had to pay media rights to show clips of their own assets on websites the media rights company forced them to buy ?

What rights would the BSPA have had over any GP series?

[Sir Jasper 192]

To say that the BSPA are soleley responsible for bringing on tomorrows stards is highly flawed in my view, it has to be a collaboration between the clubs and the BSPA. The clubs are in touch with the fans weekly and are able to go out into the community. It makes sense for them to be involved with nurturing the youth riders.

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

What rights would the BSPA have had over any GP series?

NONE ...

[Guest]

To say that the BSPA are soleley responsible for bringing on tomorrows stards is highly flawed in my view, it has to be a collaboration between the clubs and the BSPA. The clubs are in touch with the fans weekly and are able to go out into the community. It makes sense for them to be involved with nurturing the youth riders.

 

If the speedways were bona fide clubs as in major sports like football, cricket, rugby codes, etc. They are not. They are basically individual business ventures in these modern times. Why should a promoter help finance a training schemes when he will not get anything at the end of the day? At the end of the day as in any other show business venture at the end of the day it is the promoters who hosts the Sky TV match who should be the sole beneficiary of the event.

Edited December 9, 2013 by Guest

[John Leslie 3,213]

If the speedways were bona fide clubs as in major sports like football, cricket, rugby codes, etc. They are not. They are basically individual business ventures in these modern times.

You don't make any sense. Pub football teams may still be unincorporated clubs and associations, but the league teams (and Cricket & Rugby teams) are all Limited Companies (and in some cases Plcs) just the same as Speedway teams.

[Ray Stadia 1,071]

You don't make any sense. Pub football teams may still be unincorporated clubs and associations, but the league teams (and Cricket & Rugby teams) are all Limited Companies (and in some cases Plcs) just the same as Speedway teams.

While Speedway teams race against each other in a league or leagues, there is a reliance on each other. When a team commits itself to enter a team at the start of the season, surely they have entered into a contract with all other teams in the league and therefore, for the season, at least, an Association exits.

[Guest]

You don't make any sense. Pub football teams may still be unincorporated clubs and associations, but the league teams (and Cricket & Rugby teams) are all Limited Companies (and in some cases Plcs) just the same as Speedway teams.

 

So they contract riders as in football and continuity continues season on season? They make adjustments to a basic side each season as needed possibly through a retirement or a transfer request. There is a site that carries all the London team squads from 1929 and the variations in subsequent seasons are very slight indeed.

I know full well about junior clubs (or as you call them pub football teams which many would be offended at such a description) and the leagues they play in - having been actively involved in this type of football between 1959-1970.

In what ways i the structure, for example, of football club like Manchester United or a rugby league club like Wigan comparable to a speedway club? Do they have to discard players season on season to find equalisation? It's a tough old competitive world for them.

However, the real point of this debate is WHY SHOULD A SPEEDWAY PROMOTER DONATE REVENUE FROM A SKY MEETING TO FOSTER JUNIOR RIDERS?