BWitcher Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Do you honestly think Tatum is actually going to say in public what he really thinks , in the same shoes, would you ? Why wouldn't he? Although, taking your line of thought, Tatum's words are irrelevant and he doesn't really believe Ward should be allowed to race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 One thing he does not lack is courage Dutch Courage? Niamh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 When Ward did is live interview at the Litvian GP he was bullied into that interview. If Ward had been bullied into doing the interview I have no doubt that Muddlo the Mouth would have been screaming about it ever since. The absence of any comment from Muddlo about about bullying suggests there is not much mileage on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Aaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww -- poor little diddums. Man enough to have a drink - but NOT man enough to say NO to an Interview. I don't think so. One thing I do think about Ward is that if he doesn't want to do something - he is perfectly capable of saying NO - or - the Australian equivalent - 'F*** off'. One thing he does not lack is courage - as can be seen by his performance on a Speedway Bike. No - being 'bullied' does not seem like Mr. Ward to me. Take it you was ther ? & before you ask, yes i was!! If Ward had been bullied into doing the interview I have no doubt that Muddlo the Mouth would have been screaming about it ever since. The absence of any comment from Muddlo about about bullying suggests there is not much mileage on that front. So what you are saying, Tatum is lying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Take it you was ther ? & before you ask, yes i was!! So what you are saying, Tatum is lying No - I wasn't there. However the impression one gets of Mr. Ward is that he would be a difficult person to bully. Perhaps you used the wrong word, perhaps he was pushed in to the interview. But 'bullied' is a strong word and I just don't see Mr. Ward being 'bullied'. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 No - I wasn't there. However the impression one gets of Mr. Ward is that he would be a difficult person to bully. Perhaps you used the wrong word, perhaps he was pushed in to the interview. But 'bullied' is a strong word and I just don't see Mr. Ward being 'bullied'. Sorry. Not my quote, it was Tatums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 It has been stated that the date of the hearing kept being put back because of the fact that the Ward camp were going down the route of there being a problem with the procedure. If they hadn't the case would have been heard much sooner and the 45 days would have been gone by now. So I wish people would stop bleating on about the length of time when that is down partly to Ward 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) AMAZING that after 288 pages another new strand emerges ... as one who was part of the process (arranging interviews) Ward certainly wasn't bullied into doing one in Latvia after failing his alcohol test. The consensus amongst his advisers including his sponsors felt that on balance it would be better to do an interview than not.There was no coercion. With regard to Gavan's comments above ... nothing that has gone on since has been anything more than conjecture. We do not know for a fact what arguments Ward's legal team have put forward because, quite understandably, they have not commented publicly. Others might have done but that is not the same thing. Neither have the FIM. Personally I do feel that the FIM could have explained the actual process without any prejudice. And the fact that their own regulations allow this amount of time to pass does not necessarily make it right. It seems highly unlikely that the FIM lawyers would have done nothing to verify their position between being advised of the situation (which I do know for a fact was within days of the alleged offence) and the actual hearing. If, and again this is pure conjecture, Ward's lawyers were challenging the validity of the procedures that took place at the SGP, then surely the FIM's team would have investigated before the hearing rather than after. So, while a timescale of 45 days is not unusual, one would have thought that coming to a decision would not take that long and passing judgement sooner rather than later the better option, particularly if the verdict turns out to be not guilty for whatever reason. And before the usual suspects come firing back, let me reiterate that my view would be the same regardless of who was involved. Edited February 22, 2015 by PHILIPRISING 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 [quote name="sommelier" post="2578399" timestamp="1424612415" So what you are saying, Tatum is lying No I am not saying Tatum is lying. He was clearly doing his best to answer a question based on what he has heard, and what he had heard could very likely be a founded in fiction rather than fact, as is often the case when people talk about these things a stories get repeated and exaggerated.Philip Risings post for example suggests it may well have been something less than bullying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 I asked him a question last night regarding Robert Lambert and boy did he give me a no frills straight answer! If you can remember his answer I'm intrigued to know the answer please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 If you can remember his answer I'm intrigued to know the answer please? Yes, I hung on to every word he said! firstly I am a big Lambert fan, for one he is british and there is not too many of his age about with the talent he has. I asked Tatum how he rated him, he said he had a few bad habits but can see him becoming a international rider. Kind regards Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Yes, I hung on to every word he said! firstly I am a big Lambert fan, for one he is british and there is not too many of his age about with the talent he has. I asked Tatum how he rated him, he said he had a few bad habits but can see him becoming a international rider. Kind regards Marcusdarcy ward style bad habits or on track bad habits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 WASN'T there, of course, but have had numerous conversations with Kelvin travelling to and from GPs about young riders developing what Ivan Mauger used to call riding 'bad habits' at the very early stages of their careers so feel confident that would be what KT was referring to. Always been a pet theme of mine that few sportsmen have no proper coaching from the outset and throughout their careers but generally speedway riders fall into that category. Which is exactly why Ivan, who used to run authentic training schools as opposed to watching youngsters go round in circles, said what he did. Too many, he would say, think they know it all once they slide a bike but that is only the start. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 darcy ward style bad habits or on track bad habits? On track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post waiheke1 Posted February 22, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 (edited) Phil r -wont quote your lengthy post above but a coupke of things. 1. I believe an fim commitee member did make a statement recently in the swedish press outlining the situation in terms of procedure. A link earlier in the thread. 2. Next time the star decides to print a middlo rant maybe they could ask him these questions A. Initially we were told the darcy camp was stunned there was not a same day decisiin but there would be one in a week. Then we were told they knew the 45 day rule but were told a week because of darcy's visa situation. Now you have said darcy was told they would take as long as they wanted. Which, if any, of the above versions is true. 2. Has darcy pleaded "guilty" or have he and his legal team have disputed any elements of the case? Clearly disputing aspects could lead to a longer process than if only"sentencing" is needed. 3. Do you believe calling fans retarded and other abusive comments on twitter is appropriate given your position in the sport. 4. Do you think your outbursts on twitter and in the press on the darcy issue are helpful to his cause? 5. Darcy has now been involved in four separate incidents involving alcohol that have impacted, or threatened to impact, his career. Are you and poole doing anything to help him with what is clearly an issue, or do you believe he is just a young lad doing what all young lads are doing? Edited February 22, 2015 by waihekeaces1 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Phil r -wont quote your lengthy post above but a coupke of things. 1. I believe an fim commitee member did make a statement recently in the swedish press outlining the situation in terms of procedure. A link earlier in the thread. 2. Next time the star decides to print a middlo rant maybe they could ask him these questions A. Initially we were told the darcy camp was stunned there was not a same day decisiin but there would be one in a week. Then we were told they knew the 45 day rule but were told a week because of darcy's visa situation. Now you have said darcy was told they would take as long as they wanted. Which, if any, of the above versions is true. 2. Has darcy pleaded "guilty" or have he and his legal team have disputed any elements of the case? Clearly disputing aspects could lead to a longer process than if only"sentencing" is needed. 3. Do you believe calling fans retarded and other abusive comments on twitter is appropriate given your position in the sport. 4. Do you think your outbursts on twitter and in the press on the darcy issue are helpful to his cause? 5. Darcy has now been involved in four separate incidents involving alcohol that have impacted, or threatened to impact, his career. Are you and poole doing anything to help him with what is clearly an issue, or do you believe he is just a young lad doing what all young lads are doing? has to be one of the best posts written on hereBut according to a certain someone Middlo can do no wrong and is only defending his rider lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 So ... Kelvin says that Ward was bullied into his TV interview in Latvia. Phil says that he wasn't even coerced, that in fact, it was his advisers who 'advised' him to do it. You can see why this entire issue is so lost in the limbo between truth and total fiction. Two respected figuresTwo opposing views on a (sort of) 'factual' matter. Makes it difficult for the rest of us to 'know' anything of what really is going on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Not so many years ago, before the internet, none of us would know what was going on at all until an announcement had been made. Maybe that was the best way, then we could have got on with something useful in our lives instead of spending hours on a forum speculating about something we dont really know too much about. and yes, I am as guilty as anyone else of frequenting the forum. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 Its often very difficult to make any sense of what you wrote!! Just for a bit of balance -again - not ALL Poole fans are fed up with Starman, just 3 or 4 rather vocal forum members who don't seem to like their posts being disagreed with!! The Poole forum moderator has warned everyone to stop making their posts too persona - its a shame he's not one of the moderators on here occasionally!! Most Poole fans on the forum are...certainly more than 3 or 4. And if you agree or like any of the complete inane nonsense he continually posts then you have to be a mate of his - there is no other reason to do so. He is an embarrassment to Poole Speedway. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 22, 2015 Report Share Posted February 22, 2015 No I am not saying Tatum is lying. He was clearly doing his best to answer a question based on what he has heard, and what he had heard could very likely be a founded in fiction rather than fact, as is often the case when people talk about these things a stories get repeated and exaggerated.Philip Risings post for example suggests it may well have been something less than bullying. ............ which is what I was trying to argue in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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