Steve0 5,517 Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) I don't mind Howarth being a reserve but his EL average should be used for team building. there is no way that a 5.5+ rider should be at reserve in this watered down league. Looks like BSPA back scratching to me and it stinks! Edited November 7, 2015 by Steve0 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agrotron 955 Posted November 3, 2015 How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted November 3, 2015 there is no way that a 5.5+ rider should be at reserve in this watered down league. Looks like BSA back scratching to me and it stinks! But if he is it gives his side less points to play with. Its not like he doesn't have an average and will stick at reserve all year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,708 Posted November 3, 2015 But if he is it gives his side less points to play with. Its not like he doesn't have an average and will stick at reserve all year. Absolutely, after his first four meetings he could end up as Wolves no'1 on a 10 average Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirate Baz 218 Posted November 3, 2015 He has a lower Premier league average than others who are in the draft & as its down to those averages I can't see a problem. Surely he must come in on his EL average of 5.53. The converted PL calculation was brought in for last years fast track rides who's averages were inflated by the race format for reserves. Howarth wasn't a reserve and attained a genuine EL average. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrMungo 708 Posted November 3, 2015 Could it be because there are doubts whether some teams could field a side close enough to the points limit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,203 Posted November 3, 2015 Must admit it seems odd but if it helps the Brits then that's a good thing. For once we get something out of it as Cook is over a point less when using his PL average so I'll take that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,836 Posted November 3, 2015 How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? How the hell is Newman reserve? How the hell is Newman reserve? How the hell is Newman reserve?? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G the Bee 639 Posted November 3, 2015 How the hell is Newman reserve? How the hell is Newman reserve? How the hell is Newman reserve?? Because the sport is an absolute joke and run appallingly. How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? How the hell is Howarth at reserve ? I refer the gentleman to my answer above! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 4, 2015 Surely he must come in on his EL average of 5.53. The converted PL calculation was brought in for last years fast track rides who's averages were inflated by the race format for reserves. Howarth wasn't a reserve and attained a genuine EL average. Stunning hypocricy. Every 2nd string also has am inflated average.Should have been a converted el average for all riders. And should be three Brits per team minimum. Looks like they are making sure all the best Brits have a team place and that is a good thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirate Baz 218 Posted November 4, 2015 Stunning hypocricy. Every 2nd string also has am inflated average. Should have been a converted el average for all riders. .... and that is why they are putting out a list defining the heat leaders, and therefore by elimination from that list, the second strings. OK they haven't gone to the point of changing averages but they are attempting to keep the balance of teams. With the fast track riders some of them have achieved 7 to 8 point averages last year which would have eliminated them from any EL team place in 2016. Anyway why is this hypocrisy? Do you actually understand the meaning of the word. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted November 4, 2015 .... and that is why they are putting out a list defining the heat leaders, and therefore by elimination from that list, the second strings. OK they haven't gone to the point of changing averages but they are attempting to keep the balance of teams. With the fast track riders some of them have achieved 7 to 8 point averages last year which would have eliminated them from any EL team place in 2016. Anyway why is this hypocrisy? Do you actually understand the meaning of the word. They achieved those 7/8 point averages because there were two reserve races and in their other two they only faced second strings and other reserves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 4, 2015 .... and that is why they are putting out a list defining the heat leaders, and therefore by elimination from that list, the second strings. OK they haven't gone to the point of changing averages but they are attempting to keep the balance of teams. With the fast track riders some of them have achieved 7 to 8 point averages last year which would have eliminated them from any EL team place in 2016. Anyway why is this hypocrisy? Do you actually understand the meaning of the word. the logical thing to do would be apply a conversion to the EL averages for FTR, rather than PL average s- noone is saying they should come in on a 7-8 point average. it's hypocricy because poole fans have been defending the use of converted PL average for reserves, where clearly they are the side getting the benefit. when it appeared another side were getting the rub of the green, the complaints start. as it turns out, it seem howarth will come in on his EL average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,125 Posted November 4, 2015 the logical thing to do would be apply a conversion to the EL averages for FTR, rather than PL average s- noone is saying they should come in on a 7-8 point average. it's hypocricy because poole fans have been defending the use of converted PL average for reserves, where clearly they are the side getting the benefit. when it appeared another side were getting the rub of the green, the complaints start. as it turns out, it seem howarth will come in on his EL average. So how do you apply that to a rider who has never ridden EL? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 4, 2015 you would then apply a PL conversion. How many reserves coming in do you think did not ride EL last year? Maximum 1 or 2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
