Gavan 5,067 Posted November 4, 2015 its quite funny the Poole fans getting their knickers in a twist over this! Happy for the rule with Newman but as soon as it benefits another team the toys come out the pram 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,664 Posted November 4, 2015 I have absolutely no issue with Kyle Howarth, whoever and wherever he rides, and hope he scores good points all season. The issue - if indeed there is one - is why he's on the 'Reserve list' (not sure what to call it now 'cos its not fast track and not a draft) when he has an established EL 2nd string average 0f 5.53 It is different to Newman - whether Poole have benefitted or not - as Newman only rode as a reserve last year and any supposed 2015 EL average is an inflated one. As I said no issue with either rider - just the logic of it all!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Sweetman 480 Posted November 4, 2015 If Wolves sign Joel Andersson,can see him swapping places with Howarth after four meetings.Think this is one of the reasons why Kyle was signed,allowing the Swede to get used to the small Monmore track at reserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,664 Posted November 4, 2015 Absolutely, after his first four meetings he could end up as Wolves no'1 on a 10 average Absolutely, after his first four meetings he could end up as Wolves no'1 on a 7 average!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,480 Posted November 4, 2015 I have absolutely no issue with Kyle Howarth, whoever and wherever he rides, and hope he scores good points all season. The issue - if indeed there is one - is why he's on the 'Reserve list' (not sure what to call it now 'cos its not fast track and not a draft) when he has an established EL 2nd string average 0f 5.53 It is different to Newman - whether Poole have benefitted or not - as Newman only rode as a reserve last year and any supposed 2015 EL average is an inflated one. As I said no issue with either rider - just the logic of it all!! Bspa have a knack of of introducing rules with dubious ways of being interpretated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted November 4, 2015 Absolutely, after his first four meetings he could end up as Wolves no'1 on a 7 average!!! Is the 4 meetings just for the riders who have had their PL average converted? As it seems Howarth will use his EL average will rolling averages apply to him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,664 Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Is the 4 meetings just for the riders who have had their PL average converted? As it seems Howarth will use his EL average will rolling averages apply to him? Where have you seen that stated?? And if true, how can he be a reserve? Edited November 4, 2015 by Skidder1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 4, 2015 Where have you seen that stated?? And if true, how can he be a reserve? Neal Watson posted it on the coventry thread earlier today. he should know you'd think? I have absolutely no issue with Kyle Howarth, whoever and wherever he rides, and hope he scores good points all season. The issue - if indeed there is one - is why he's on the 'Reserve list' (not sure what to call it now 'cos its not fast track and not a draft) when he has an established EL 2nd string average 0f 5.53 It is different to Newman - whether Poole have benefitted or not - as Newman only rode as a reserve last year and any supposed 2015 EL average is an inflated one. and howarths average is inflated, as he rode entirely as a second string (not as much as Newmans obviosuly). averaging 5.5 as a second string is statistically about half a point worse than averaging 8 as a reserve in this format. which makes it nonsensical that he will be 1.5 higher than Newman for team building. just as it is nonsensical that newman will be a point lower than garritty for example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrMungo 708 Posted November 4, 2015 Where have you seen that stated?? And if true, how can he be a reserve? What average would Andersson come in on (if signed)? If it's lower than 5.52, does it mean a reserve will start the season at reserve despite having an average higher than one of the top 5? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,664 Posted November 4, 2015 What average would Andersson come in on (if signed)? If it's lower than 5.52, does it mean a reserve will start the season at reserve despite having an average higher than one of the top 5? That was stated as an acceptable possibility in the BSPA statement following the AGM-Part 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Sweetman 480 Posted November 4, 2015 What average would Andersson come in on (if signed)? If it's lower than 5.52, does it mean a reserve will start the season at reserve despite having an average higher than one of the top 5? Think its likely it will be six. If its any higher,then we shouldnt sign him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrMungo 708 Posted November 4, 2015 That was stated as an acceptable possibility in the BSPA statement following the AGM-Part 1. “As a league we are delighted by the success of the draft system and there are now certain riders who are ready to move into the main body of teams, so for the Tier 1 reserves they will now get an EL average after four meetings. “They will start the season on a converted average from the PL, but they will start the season at reserve even if this is in excess of a top five rider.” I assume this is the part you are referring to? Over on the Coventry thread it has been suggested Howarth will start on his EL average, and not his PL average converted (4.19?), as per the quote. I guess we may find out in March. Maybe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Where have you seen that stated?? And if true, how can he be a reserve? Neil Watson pretty much said on the Bees thread. Riders in the draft will be a reserve for at least 4 matches. IF for example Bees had Garrity in the draft his average would be just over 5 and in a reserve position. IF then Bees signed Robson his average is say 4.8(?) he would be a 2nd string as he isn't part of the draft. Reserves can then move into top 5 after 4 meetings if averages allow. Edit. Must remind myself to read the rest of the thread before commenting 😃 Edited November 4, 2015 by woz01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therefused 833 Posted November 4, 2015 Jesus Christ what a mess 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfsbane 12,944 Posted November 4, 2015 If Wolves sign Joel Andersson,can see him swapping places with Howarth after four meetings.Think this is one of the reasons why Kyle was signed,allowing the Swede to get used to the small Monmore track at reserve. While Andersson's doing that, what's Howarth going to be doing? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
