Which Fast Track Riders Will Be Promoted Into Any Teams 1-5 For 2016?

[E I Addio 15,845]

That has always happened, reserves are and always will be key.

Except that in the past if a reserve was injured or under performing you could replace him with someone more or less the same standard. Now if your EDR reserve is injured or loses form you are stuck with someone lower down the tier, often far lower d own the tier. There has to be some levelling o f who is included in the EDR lists.

[scottyfan 824]

Which Fast Track riders have been unable to attain a PL spot?

Adam Ellis.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706]

Adam Ellis.

that was due to logistics rather than ability though.

The original comment was some of tge no7s werent even good enough for the PL.

No comparison with Adam there....

[Steve0 5,517]

That has always happened, reserves are and always will be key.

Try reading the post. They are suggesting there is a huge imbalance - all within the rules but hardly a level playing field.

[g13webb 4,254]

Scrap this ridiculous charade....the only reason the top placed teams are at the top is because Garrity and Newman etc have been generally injury free and have for the most part riding against other lads who are so far off the pace and will never be good enough to attain even a regular premier league place.

In too many matches the top 5 riders of one team are outscoring the opposition by 6 or more points only to lose the match because say Newman and Stark have outpointed say simon lambert and max clegg 15-5, surely that can't be fair.

 

It was only a matter of time before people would realise what a ridiculous idea this is. Top Draft riders are more important to the team now than the No1, and that can't be right. Protected heats, on a bias basic, is one of the main reasons teams have reached the PO's. Totally down to the form of their reserves. Newman, Garrity, Worrall and Wright. For the second year second running Lynn has suffered by the injury to Kerr, and the rules don't allow teams a permanent replacement.

 

Bring back the old way when teams had 7 riders all using the same format and with a compatible average. Allow each club to sort their own team, with the proviso being minimum of 2 or 3 British nationality.

 

Why complicate the rules when they could be so straight forward and easy to understand.......

[Woz01 3,589]

Draft has to continue but I agree a tweak or 2 is needed. Maybe one draft pick and then at least 2 other Brits in top 6? No point scrapping it now as we will be back to square one. I do think it'll be a huge shame having foriegners on a low average occupying reserve spots though.

Edited September 12, 2015 by woz01

[E I Addio 15,845]

It was only a matter of time before people would realise what a ridiculous idea this is. Top Draft riders are more important to the team now than the No1, and that can't be right..

It's not a ridiculous idea. I think it's basically a good idea but like a lot of other things it has been poorly implemented in practice.

 

It's been good for riders like Steve Worrall last year when it really seems to have built his confidence and helped him turn into the pretty decent r idea he now is, and there have been some good matches when evenly matched reserves have had some good races, but the BSPA messed it up by having riders in who were too good to be in it and all too often we had the ridiculous situation where you could fill the programme in before the race started. We shouldn't be having situations where the EDR reserves have been coming out and scoring 12 or 13 points as has happened. Riders of that standard should be above EDR standard.

 

I agree with your general point though that the league positions had more to do with who had the best EDR picks at the start of the season than anything the 1-5 could achieve. In other words the competition has to some extent been turned into a lottery. To my mind sorting out the EDR is top priority for the AGM because it will kill the sport in double quick time if we have another season like this one.

 

Somehow the BSPA have taken what was fundamentally a good idea and messed it all up (a familiar story).

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706]

If you have a draft then you cant have protected riders - needs to be a free pick in strict order.

[mdmc82 2,878]

If you have a draft then you cant have protected riders - needs to be a free pick in strict order.

Why? Teams like Coventry & King's Lynn have brought some of their assets through the NL and helped develop them.

More teams should do the same or buy them as assets if they wanted protected riders.

 

I don't think riders should be protected just because they rode for a team the year before but should be if assets.

[Ben91 1,743]

The FTR's were good enough this year for them to not need two reserve only races. The normal 15 heat format, used in the PL and NL could have been reverted to and the reserves would have attained real averages.

 

This needs to be implemented next season and once the reserves have averages then their position in the team is dictated by that average. If they are injured/missing etc then a FTR guest or replacement has to be used in place regardless of whatever that average is.

[mdmc82 2,878]

Absobloodyexactly!

 

Quite how Leicester were blocked from signing Garrity is a complete mystery isn't it?

Didn't know they tried, did he not want to be brought by Leicester maybe or Rye house wouldn't sell? I know last year that Belle Vue wanted to buy him when draft idea was announced but Rye House said no.

 

This year he was protected cos he rode for us last year (which I don't agree with) but also because Coventry were sorting a deal to buy him so therefore a potential asset.(so would have been asset)

Edited September 12, 2015 by mdmc82

[mdmc82 2,878]

LOL!

 

Who told you Belle Vue wanted to sign garrity? It looked like garrity would be allocated to Belle Vue when the draft was first announced (he lived nearer to the track than any other rider) but we will never sign him again. Been there once, lol!

 

By the way, a team doesn't have to buy the draft rider if that's what you meant by 'brought'.

There was lots of talk at the time the draft was being put together that Belle Vue were considering buying Garrity but changed their minds.

 

Garrity was to become a Coventry asset so only right he should ride for us this year. If he's not in the draft next year then I wonder if bees will protect Stefan or Sarjeant (or Barker if rumours are true)

Edited September 12, 2015 by mdmc82

[stevebrum 6,824]

Which Fast Track riders have been unable to attain a PL spot?

Adam Ellis

[stevebrum 6,824]

You've overdone the medication this morning.

So what PL team does Ellis ride for.

Don't you need a vet?

[MrMungo 708]

Adam Ellis

 

Doesn't have a team spot & 'unable to attain a team spot' are 2 very, very different things.