Paulco 7,080 Posted December 13, 2015 The fact that 90% of PL riders are beaten before they start as the dale is different to most tracks is probably more the point George. It's seen good matches & bad matches. It's not the ideal racing strip due to shape constraints but the home guys soon adapt & with Doc's prep you can pass if your good enough [rain notwithstanding which has reduced some meetings to farce]. Monarchs have been usually easily beaten when they had the EL/PL playoffs so the advantage isn't that great if your a decent rider. Would agree with that , though it seems the type of track that you really need to ride regularly to be adept at it . Riders who become home specialists while riding for the Monarchs become less effective when they move clubs and return with their new side . 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted December 13, 2015 Would agree with that , though it seems the type of track that you really need to ride regularly to be adept at it . Riders who become home specialists while riding for the Monarchs become less effective when they move clubs and return with their new side . More to with engine set up it's pretty unique. If you ride it once or twice your not going to pay for it setup if you the average PL guy. A lot of the monarchs have had a home engine in the garage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baldyman 6,243 Posted December 13, 2015 Thanks people. So just watched a video. So next question is why is it bad for spectator viewing? No raised grand stands? Or poor lighting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted December 13, 2015 Thanks people. So just watched a video. So next question is why is it bad for spectator viewing? No raised grand stands? Or poor lighting? You can only watch on 2 sides and neither is particularly raised bar the turn 3/4 stand. Some positions low down all you see is the helmets or just the roostertails as the riders go past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenga 2,998 Posted December 13, 2015 The fact that 90% of PL riders are beaten before they start as the dale is different to most tracks is probably more the point George. It's seen good matches & bad matches. It's not the ideal racing strip due to shape constraints but the home guys soon adapt & with Doc's prep you can pass if your good enough [rain notwithstanding which has reduced some meetings to farce]. Monarchs have been usually easily beaten when they had the EL/PL playoffs so the advantage isn't that great if your a decent rider. is it like a smaller Exeter ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted December 13, 2015 is it like a smaller Exeter ? In what way, its not a track you ride the boards all the time and the fence isnt steel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GS550 449 Posted December 13, 2015 However, Ipswich and Glasgow don't look so strong...Glasgow are far too top heavy of which I'm struggling to see which one of them (possibly Worrall exempt) will increase their average... None of the other 3 look likely to give any sort of consistent back-up. Teams have won championships with so called "top heavy" teams, e.g. when it was: Joe Owen, Rod Hunter, Bobby Beaton, Alan Emerson, it didn't matter what the other 3 scored - that top 4 obliterated any team on their own. Long time ago yes, but to have two 10 pointers (Hunter and Beaton), an 11 pointer (Joe Owen), then also an 8 pointer (Emerson) was already too much for any team. The other 3 might as well not have bothered to turn a wheel, it didn't matter. As I recall they did it 2 seasons on the trot, winning back to back championships. They were feared alright and it was nothing to do with the bottom 3 riders although there's more than one way to skin a cat right enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stewmac 476 Posted December 13, 2015 It's not a trick track so I disagree with some of the above posts. It does however require thought and a bit of skill to get round, something some riders these days are sadly lacking in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monarchlad 32 Posted December 13, 2015 Good riders should be able to ride any track 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GS550 449 Posted December 13, 2015 Good riders should be able to ride any track If you mean every "good" rider will ride every track well, to paraphrase Don Corleone if history (of speedway) has taught us anything... it is that not all riders can ride all tracks well! There will always be tracks that some riders are suited to better than others and conversely some tracks that are bogey tracks for some riders, even high average ones. By and large you're right of course, most will the majority of the time, but.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted December 13, 2015 If you mean every "good" rider will ride every track well, to paraphrase Don Corleone if history (of speedway) has taught us anything... it is that not all riders can ride all tracks well! There will always be tracks that some riders are suited to better than others and conversely some tracks that are bogey tracks for some riders, even high average ones. By and large you're right of course, most will the majority of the time, but.... The dale shows up those that have poor turning technique and who lose speed in the turns - usually they don't go in fast enough. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spt82 86 Posted December 13, 2015 Yes. Except you could fit it inside LakesideLakeside is 252 meters, Armadale is 278 meters so you're talking garbage there I'm afraid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chucks 63 Posted December 13, 2015 Good riders should be able to ride any track horses fof courses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ColinMills 1,728 Posted December 13, 2015 At least give him credit for having the b***s and self belief to try. Sure it is a gamble but at least, if it does not work out, he won't spend the rest of his life wondering 'If only ...'. He has a long way to go to be regarded as GP standard but who would have thought that Zagar, Iversen, Kildermand, Batchelor Doyle etc.would make the grade, looking back to their early days in Britain. Too many riders 'step off the bus' when the going gets tough and settle for a comfortable life within their comfort zone. spot on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 132 Posted December 14, 2015 Teams have won championships with so called "top heavy" teams, e.g. when it was: Joe Owen, Rod Hunter, Bobby Beaton, Alan Emerson, it didn't matter what the other 3 scored - that top 4 obliterated any team on their own. Long time ago yes, but to have two 10 pointers (Hunter and Beaton), an 11 pointer (Joe Owen), then also an 8 pointer (Emerson) was already too much for any team. The other 3 might as well not have bothered to turn a wheel, it didn't matter. As I recall they did it 2 seasons on the trot, winning back to back championships. They were feared alright and it was nothing to do with the bottom 3 riders although there's more than one way to skin a cat right enough. Agreed, back in the day when speedway was based 90% skill, 10% speed... However, I don't see which one of Glasgow's string quartet fit into the Owen/Hunter/Beaton/Emerson mould... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
