SCB 0 Posted November 18, 2015 So taking every riders last 20 meetings, here as the number of meetings they rode as a heat leader. Take out Bjarne, Mads, Woffy, Ward, Zagar, Pawlicki, Magic, Pawlicki, Kildemand, Michelsen, Swiderski, Bridger and Guastafsson and assume the rest return then your 22 BSPA heat leaders should be everyone from Buckowski/King and up - but thats 23 riders. There are a few anomalies, Buczkowski, MJJ, Hougaard and Miedzinski for example rode 100% of meetings as a heat leader so should be shifted up but as I don't expect 3 of them to ride EL in 2016 they don't matter. But it does make Buczkowski a contentious one! Personally, I'd have just made the cut-off 14. The riders it was brought in to stop dropping to second string were Lindgren, Andersen and Bjerre and they fall within my cut-off. As for the rest, they could well be second strings or their averages are so high that they're heat leaders anyway. rank meetings rider 1 20 Bjarne Pedersen 1 20 Jason Doyle 1 20 Chris Harris 1 20 Rory Schlein 1 20 Troy Batchelor 1 20 Niels K Iversen 1 20 Mads Korneliussen 1 20 Peter Karlsson 1 20 Fredrik Lindgren 1 20 Tai Woffinden 1 20 Darcy Ward 1 20 Matej Zagar 1 20 Przemyslaw Pawlicki 1 20 Nick Morris 1 20 Maciej Janowski 1 20 Piotr Pawlicki 1 20 Andreas Jonsson 18 19 Scott Nicholls 19 18 Grzegorz Walasek 20 17 Peter Kildemand 21 16 Dakota North 21 16 Edward Kennett 21 16 Chris Holder 21 16 Hans Andersen 25 15 Kenneth Bjerre 25 15 Craig Cook 27 14 Mikkel Michelsen 28 13 Mikkel B Jensen 28 13 Ricky Wells 28 13 Joonas Kylmakorpi 31 12 Piotr Swiderski 32 11 Vaclav Milik 32 11 Lewis Bridger 32 11 Simon Gustafsson 35 9 Danny King 35 9 Krzysztof Buczkowski 37 8 Cameron Woodward 37 8 Ryan Fisher 39 7 Davey Watt 39 7 Simon Stead 39 7 Michael Jepsen Jensen 39 7 Tobiasz Musielak 43 6 Patrick Hougaard 44 4 Kim Nilsson 44 4 Grzegorz Zengota 44 4 Szymon Wozniak 47 3 Robert Lambert 47 3 Richard Lawson 47 3 Ty Proctor 47 3 Josh Grajczonek 51 2 Adrian Miedzinski 52 1 Kenneth Hansen 52 1 Ben Barker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickRushbrook 202 Posted November 18, 2015 They should have done rider gradings for the whole top five. Grade 5 being the top riders and grade 1 being the lowest ranked. Points limit is 15 with the grades counting as points towards this limit. Couple of examples below: Holder - Grade 5 (5 points) Cook - Grade 4 (4 points) Milik - Grade 3 (3 points) Kennett - Grade 2 (2 points) Sedgemen - Grade 1 (1 point) Total 15 points. Obviously that is the most simple way of doing things but another example is as follows : Batchelor Grade 4 (4 points) Cook Grade 4 (4 points) Milik Grade 3 (3 points) Graczonek Grade 3 (3 points) Sedgemen Grade 1 (1 point) Of course there would be more arguments about who should be in what grade but then that's nothing new and would at least work for this season whilst false averages are worked out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) They should have done rider gradings for the whole top five. Grade 5 being the top riders and grade 1 being the lowest ranked. Points limit is 15 with the grades counting as points towards this limit. Couple of examples below: Holder - Grade 5 (5 points) Cook - Grade 4 (4 points) Milik - Grade 3 (3 points) Kennett - Grade 2 (2 points) Sedgemen - Grade 1 (1 point) Total 15 points. Obviously that is the most simple way of doing things but another example is as follows : Batchelor Grade 4 (4 points) Cook Grade 4 (4 points) Milik Grade 3 (3 points) Graczonek Grade 3 (3 points) Sedgemen Grade 1 (1 point) Of course there would be more arguments about who should be in what grade but then that's nothing new and would at least work for this season whilst false averages are worked out. But straight away I look at that and I'm left asking, in what World is Kennett 2 and not 4?! How do you determine the grades? He's certianly better than Grajzonek and Milik! Edited November 18, 2015 by SCB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickRushbrook 202 Posted November 18, 2015 Well, like I said, arguments over this sort of thing are common place. The list was done very quickly so the grades I allocated weren't put together with too much thought. Just an example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted November 19, 2015 Grading is an awful idea imho. Marginal rider become superb signings or unemployable 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted November 19, 2015 That appears to be what we have got anyway!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted November 19, 2015 Grading is an awful idea imho. Marginal rider become superb signings or unemployable It goes back to what I suggested a few weeks ago. Weight all riders averages based on the position they rode in! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barncooseboy 237 Posted November 27, 2015 thats a brilliant new idea, weigh all the riders and no one allowed to have a team that is over 90 stone in weight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelvinht 355 Posted November 27, 2015 thats a brilliant new idea, weigh all the riders and no one allowed to have a team that is over 90 stone in weight. Like it - it's no worse than the stupid rules the BSPA come up with. Still open to abuse though - I bet Matt Ford would get all his intended riders to go on diet before signing...and what happens in 2017 when a riders weight goes up - presume he will have a rolling fat average to apply to team building Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted November 28, 2015 I thought Screeny had retired!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted December 7, 2015 So how about this list. What riders averaged riding as a heat leader in 2015.... 1 Darcy Ward 9.28 2 Jason Doyle 9.13 3 Maciej Janowski 8.86 4 Niels K Iversen 8.86 5 Peter Kildemand 8.40 6 Andreas Jonsson 7.84 7 Matej Zagar 7.60 8 Rory Schlein 7.48 9 Chris Harris 7.29 10 Chris Holder 7.18 11 Craig Cook 7.04 12 Scott Nicholls 6.86 13 Troy Batchelor 6.76 14 Nick Morris 6.57 15 Robert Lambert 6.46 16 Fredrik Lindgren 6.45 17 Hans Andersen 6.42 18 Richard Lawson 6.17 19 Joonas Kylmakorpi 6.04 20 Grzegorz Walasek 5.97 21 Mikkel B Jensen 5.93 22 Edward Kennett 5.92 23 Dakota North 5.74 24 Peter Karlsson 5.68 25 Kenneth Bjerre 5.67 26 Danny King 5.47 27 Davey Watt 5.37 28 Ricky Wells 5.31 29 Grzegorz Zengota 5.26 30 Kim Nilsson 5.11 31 Szymon Wozniak 5.11 32 Vaclav Milik 4.43 33 Tobiasz Musielak 4.34 34 Piotr Swiderski 3.82 35 Josh Grajczonek 3.67 36 Bjarne Pedersen 3.60 37 Jacob Thorssell 3.33 38 Simon Stead 3.20 39 Adrian Miedzinski 1.14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted December 7, 2015 Shows that King and watt should not be hl no matter what way you look at it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted December 7, 2015 Shows that King and watt should not be hl no matter what way you look at it. Exactly! God knows who "felt" they should be! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bees_Man 454 Posted December 7, 2015 Makes you wonder why Coventry signed King knowing he'd be a HL for 2016. Crazy decision. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted December 7, 2015 Makes you wonder why Coventry signed King knowing he'd be a HL for 2016. Crazy decision. Even more so considering is narrowed our options for the 2nd string role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites