Wolfsbane 12,944 Posted June 6, 2016 Are you honestly comparing a 4pt Polish rider who is new to every away track and is a long way off being a EL heatleader to Karlsson who has been riding in Wolves main team for years? Agree it doesn't help British riders. Come to that PK's been at Wolves 6 years longer than Woryna's been alive!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdmc82 2,878 Posted June 6, 2016 Come to that PK's been at Wolves 6 years longer than Woryna's been alive!! Crazy isn't it lol. I don't think Wolves 100% home record is under any threat tonight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dump that clutch 630 Posted June 6, 2016 I'll be surprised if Coventry get 35 tonight. PK to top score using his full quota of rides available Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BANANAMAN 330 Posted June 6, 2016 SCB, on 05 Jun 2016 - 10:47 PM, said:FFS we've had a Pole in reserve thickest few weeks. How is that any different? Pull your heads out of your arses Bees favs! Do you think Your clubs Promotion will make any changes ? Do you think they should ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fourentee 987 Posted June 6, 2016 PK at reserve, great stuff for British Speedway. Yeah, should have told Howarth to ride more slowly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) Strange isn't it that the Swedish League - often held up to be one of the best alongside Poland - have rules that allow the likes of PK and others eg AJ etc to ride at reserve and there's hardly a peep!! Not even on the Swedish equivalent of the BSF - assuming there is such a thing?! ;-) Edited June 6, 2016 by Skidder1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyler42 150 Posted June 6, 2016 Strange isn't it that the Swedish League - often held up to be one of the best alongside Poland - have rules that allow the likes of PK and others eg AJ etc to ride at reserve and there's hardly a peep!! Not even on the Swedish equivalent of the BSF - assuming there is such a thing?! ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CB252 1,376 Posted June 6, 2016 Strange isn't it that the Swedish League - often held up to be one of the best alongside Poland - have rules that allow the likes of PK and others eg AJ etc to ride at reserve and there's hardly a peep!! Not even on the Swedish equivalent of the BSF - assuming there is such a thing?! ;-) Also, Zmarzlik is still in reserve for Stal despite being top of the Ekstraliga averages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krompa 236 Posted June 6, 2016 Also, Zmarzlik is still in reserve for Stal despite being top of the Ekstraliga averages. Completely different team building in Poland. No CMA limits. Reserves - only POLISH U21 riders allowed. That's why Zmarzlik, Przedpelski etc. stay on reserve as long as they are U21. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Game On 1,117 Posted June 6, 2016 Do you think Your clubs Promotion will make any changes ? Do you think they should ? They should, but won't 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CB252 1,376 Posted June 6, 2016 (edited) Completely different team building in Poland. No CMA limits. Reserves - only POLISH U21 riders allowed. That's why Zmarzlik, Przedpelski etc. stay on reserve as long as they are U21. Yes I know, not knocking the Polish system. Just using as an example that the other Leagues also have situations where a good rider can end up at reserve, but few people moan about it. To be fair, Zmarzlik only gets one banked win from it anyway as there's only one reserve race in Ekstraliga. It's good for Stal though as he can take some of the utterly woeful MJJs rides! Edited June 6, 2016 by CB252 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krompa 236 Posted June 6, 2016 Yes I know, not knocking the Polish system. Just using as an example that the other Leagues also have situations where a good rider can end up at reserve, but few people moan about it. To be fair, Zmarzlik only gets one banked win from it anyway as there's only one reserve race in Ekstraliga. It's good for Stal though as he can take some of the utterly woeful MJJs rides! True, very true. And IMO system is good. Developing Polish youngsters.Whole idea brought to UK was also good but for some strange reasons BSPA made 2 mistakes. 1st - allowed riders older than 21 to be on reserve. 2nd - messed it up completely this year allowing riders to switch positions. Whole idea of promoting British youngsters is almost ruined now. Hopefully they will work on it again to make it better and simple. Suggesting minimum 1 British U21 rider on reserve all season long. The other may be older (23 max?), also British and all year on reserve as well. Is it that difficult for them (BSPA) to have simple rules like that? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted June 6, 2016 The issue is that when the scheme started there weren't enough brits u21 of a suitable standard, and you would struggle even now to get 16 riders u23 of the right quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dabbsjoe 149 Posted June 6, 2016 if PK can get dialled in pretty quickly tonight I could see him taking a full quota of rides where available. hopefully it's the PK we had last season compared to the PK we got the previous season after being dropped by Lakeside although I think that was mainly down to machinery. a great second string to have and also a great mind in the pits for the younger riders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krompa 236 Posted June 6, 2016 The issue is that when the scheme started there weren't enough brits u21 of a suitable standard, and you would struggle even now to get 16 riders u23 of the right quality. It is always difficult in first year or 2. Some Polish U21 are also pretty bad and so what? Thanks to the system we find every year some talents like Zmarzlik, Pawlicki brothers, Przedpelski, Dudek and many more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
