hans fan 1,001 Posted November 3, 2016 Surprised the BPSA have to look at this. If I were a rider I'd be trying to use them now. Lindgren proved they work and they are a fraction of the cost. the average thing is simple. Each rider has one average to be used in both leagues. how many riders can afford them , 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scott0311 94 Posted November 3, 2016 Is the national league still running as there is no mention of it anywhere? Presume it is. The NL conference is usually separate (later) to the Premiership & Championship conference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) PRESS BULLETIN FROM THE BRITISH SPEEDWAY PROMOTERS' ASSOCIATION PRESS OFFICE Date: Thursday November 3, 2016 BRITISH Speedway is ready to bounce back in 2017 – after the biggest revamp of the sport in modern history.Club bosses have spent three days voting through plans to restructure league racing in the UK which sees both Rye House and second tier champions Somerset taking the plunge with promotion to the top flight.And there’s good news for fans of troubled Leicester and Belle Vue with both clubs, who boast a rich heritage, ready to come to the tapes again – and at the top level.Workington are expected to take their place in the Championship, but this is subject to confirmation.The leagues have been rebranded Speedway Great Britain (SGB) Premiership and SGB Championship – and promotion and relegation has been introduced with the leagues coming closer together.The winners of the Championship play-offs will race the Premiership’s bottom club to decide who rides in the 2018 SGB Premiership.The same rules and race format, last year’s PL programme, will apply to both leagues – that means tactical rides are available when 10-points down from heats 5-12.The injury rider-replacement rule will also now be in place in both leagues.And the season will start with Knockout Cup meetings at both levels before the launch of the exciting new leagues.All riders will now have one average, based on Premier League figures, for team building purposes with a 50-point limit for the top division and 40 for the Championship.It means riders who only raced in the Elite League last season will see their average increased by 1.4 to bring them in line with Premier League averages. The only difference in team building rules between the leagues is that Championship clubs must include a British youngster with a three-point average.And in a bid to help young riders get team spots, any rider who hasn’t achieved a three-point average will come in on a minimum of 2.No team changes will be permitted in either league after July 31.The British Speedway Promoters’ Association also intend to work with the new Gerhard engine after a visit to the Switzerland base of the GTR. This will reduce costs for riders with engines typically needing a fraction of the servicing of other engines. More details will follow once the arrangement is concluded.Promoters feel this dramatic revamp was necessary in a financially challenging climate – and whilst chairman Keith Chapman admits there is an element of cost cutting there is plenty for fans and sponsors to be excited about.He said: “This was probably the best AGM I’ve been to in all my time in the sport.“There was a genuine desire to try and change things and secure the future of league racing in the UK. I certainly think we have done that and I’m very excited about the months ahead.“Every promoter acknowledged something had to be done after some very difficult times for the sport – now we’ve done something and I’m looking forward to a bright future.”Vice Chairman Rob Godfrey said: “I believe we have achieved a total restructuring of British Speedway.“We have created leagues which are sustainable and have a structure with promotion and relegation and the same rules.“Now we have rebranded the sport, it’s time to deliver.” SGB PREMIERSHIP 2017: Belle Vue, Coventry, King’s Lynn, Leicester, Poole, Rye House, Somerset, Swindon, Wolverhampton.SGB CHAMPIONSHIP: Berwick, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Ipswich, Newcastle, Peterborough, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Sheffield, Workington* (*subject to confirmation). Two home, two away, top four into play-offs. KNOCKOUT CUP DRAW:PREMIERSHIP: Preliminary: Somerset v Leicester. 1st Round: Rye House v Swindon, King’s Lynn v Leicester or Somerset, Wolverhampton v Coventry, Belle Vue v Poole.CHAMPIONSHIP: Preliminary: Peterborough v Redcar, Workington v Newcastle. 1st Round: Scunthorpe v Peterborough or Redcar, Glasgow v Workington or Newcastle, Berwick v Ipswich, Edinburgh v Sheffield. MAJOR EVENTS VENUES:BRITISH FINAL: TBCPREMIERSHIP RIDERS’ INDIVIDUAL: Belle Vue.PREMIERSHIP PAIRS: Rye House.CHAMPIONSHIP RIDERS’ INDIVIDUAL: Glasgow.CHAMPIONSHIP PAIRS: Somerset.CHAMPIONSHIP FOURS: Peterborough.MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE: Keith Chapman (Chairman), Rob Godfrey (Vice-Chairman), Chris Van Straaten, George English, Colin Pratt.ENDS Edited November 3, 2016 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panther1997 228 Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) No GP rider restrictions in either league. Edited November 3, 2016 by Panther1997 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A ORLOV 8,628 Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) The statement says EL averages will be increased by 1.4 if rider did not have a PL average do they not mean EL average will be multiplied by 1.4 to bring them in line with PL averages. They could mult by 1.4 to get the EL average in line with PL averages but not mult EL average by 1.4 and easily build to a 50 point limit. Edited November 3, 2016 by A ORLOV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) how many riders can afford them , I don't know personal finances. But if the engines from different makers cost about the same yet maintenance is a fraction of the cost. You do the maths and I'm sure riders are doing some sums too. Easy to buy a Gerhard when your current engine expires. Edited November 3, 2016 by marky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacques 3,114 Posted November 3, 2016 Looks like I'll be able to see my beloved Bees at Somerset then.. I'll take that. Downside, is seeing more of Starry though 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted November 3, 2016 The statement says EL averages will be increased by 1.4 if rider did not have a PL average do they not mean EL average will be multiplied by 1.4 to bring them in line with PL averages. Rider on 8 Elite = 11.2 which is now applied over both leagues. 11.2 is a big chunk from 40 Championship points for a team. Riders like Cook, Nicholls and Bomber should get some good offers. Pleased we are looking after our own for a change. there needs more explanation on riders who DID ride in two leagues but have differing success rates. assume no UK percentage reduction now. I feel sorry for Ipswich fans who bar Peterborough have some long road trips. Northern League is that in all but name . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
montie 1,273 Posted November 3, 2016 how many riders can afford them , If the cost savings that are being spoken about are true,then it could be argued that a seasons savings will more than pay for the engine, when it cost 3 x the amount to service a poxy Italian single cylinder engine as it does my car,somthings has to change so you could say cant they afford not to use them? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philfromcov 326 Posted November 3, 2016 OK so Chris holder now has an average greater than 12, lets wait and see the amendments come in quick and fast! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazzafl 212 Posted November 3, 2016 Rider on 8 Elite = 11.2 which is now applied over both leagues. 11.2 is a big chunk from 40 Championship points for a team. Riders like Cook, Nicholls and Bomber should get some good offers. Pleased we are looking after our own for a change. there needs more explanation on riders who DID ride in two leagues but have differing success rates. assume no UK percentage reduction now. I feel sorry for Ipswich fans who bar Peterborough have some long road trips. Northern League is that in all but name . i think i read they will have it increased by 1.4 not multiplied by 1.4... so an 8 should be 9.4 is that right ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,408 Posted November 3, 2016 I'm sure I have seen somewhere where Doyle has been mentioned about doubling up before the AGM Statement. Thought it was a wind up on the forum but now there could be some truth in it. There is some good averages to be snapped up by the "money" clubs Cook on EL x 1.4 is 10.84 so bargain on his PL 9.88 Harris/Nichols come in around 9.23 Morris in at 8.98 Schlein in at 7.17 Porsing in at 6.99 Might hamper us again with riders riding abroad on Sundays Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,685 Posted November 3, 2016 Spotted an issue already SpeedwayGB have said averages will be real as of the 1st set of greensheets. If the premiership team building is 50 it's almost impossible for any team to maintain that figure. Effectively, the teams with the biggest wallets can replace reserves for heatleaders after the 1st set of averages. The gap from top to bottom of the Premiership could be bigger than ever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted November 3, 2016 Read it quickly so not fully thought it through to be honest I think they've done . Two new teams at EL level is always good news for the top level. The promotion/relegation I'm willing to give a go as the difference between the leagues is closer than ever, I assume we will find out more detail about doubling up etc. Good news there seems to be a commitment about the Gerrard engines. Finally MORE fixtures, certainly at EL level. Its what fans wanted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyabb17 1,077 Posted November 3, 2016 It increased by 1.4, not x 1.4. For example Doyley will now be 10.98 from 9.58. If it was x's he'd be 13.41, the averages are only calculated on 4 rides......i.e max of 12. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites