DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted December 16, 2020 12 hours ago, racers and royals said: If the FIM and BSI re introduce the Friday GP qualifying flying lap to sort out start riding position This is planned again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted December 16, 2020 Qualifying is also compulsory next year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric i 617 Posted December 16, 2020 Compulsory if they wish to take part in the Gp? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, DutchGrasstrack said: Qualifying is also compulsory next year. That is interesting- the FIM are telling the Extraleague who is boss !!! and not before time. The Extraleague will have to move their 2 Friday`s fixtures to another date. Edited December 16, 2020 by racers and royals 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted December 17, 2020 Practise and draw number is proven as worthless. GP won by the last draw pick etc. How can practise be level without a track grade before each rider does his timed lap. Its a waste of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Mark said: Practise and draw number is proven as worthless. GP won by the last draw pick etc. How can practise be level without a track grade before each rider does his timed lap. Its a waste of time. Whatever you think is your opinion. If one listens to the riders- they want to do it and were upset when they were forced to be elsewhere, now it`s a level playing field with everyone there and don`t forget the order they go out is determined by the time set in " free practice" before the main TV programme starts. One could argue that it`s just done for TV, but is that such a bad thing ? The Extraleague have plenty of dates available as reserved fixtures to move these 2 Friday`s matches( or even the whole round if they want to) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Thinking about it, qualifying doesn`t have to be on Friday so might they consider same day qualifying to allow the clashing Polish Extraleague matches to take place. Same day practice happens at a lot of FIM and SEC meetings. Edited December 17, 2020 by racers and royals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusky 113 Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: Thinking about it, qualifying doesn`t have to be on Friday so might they consider same day qualifying to allow the clashing Polish Extraleague matches to take place. Same day practice happens at a lot of FIM and SEC meetings. But not on man made tracks ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted December 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, rusky said: But not on man made tracks ? Maybe Cardiff and Warsaw will remain on Friday( you can`t get to Togliatti in 2 minutes- so that might also have to be) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric i 617 Posted December 17, 2020 14 hours ago, DutchGrasstrack said: Qualifying is also compulsory next year. Has this just been announced? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DutchGrasstrack 804 Posted December 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, eric i said: Has this just been announced? It's in the 2021 rulebook which has been released yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, racers and royals said: Whatever you think is your opinion. If one listens to the riders- they want to do it and were upset when they were forced to be elsewhere, now it`s a level playing field with everyone there and don`t forget the order they go out is determined by the time set in " free practice" before the main TV programme starts. One could argue that it`s just done for TV, but is that such a bad thing ? The Extraleague have plenty of dates available as reserved fixtures to move these 2 Friday`s matches( or even the whole round if they want to) You are right. What I think is my opinion. You do not answer the points I made. Practise is worthless if it is proven the last pick can win a GP. Justify practise on that statistic. How can the track be the same for all 16 riders if there is no grade after each rider ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mark said: You are right. What I think is my opinion. You do not answer the points I made. Practise is worthless if it is proven the last pick can win a GP. Justify practise on that statistic. How can the track be the same for all 16 riders if there is no grade after each rider ? It doesn`t really matter - the track is not graded after every race during a match. The riders want a practice on the track. As i said before it`s made for TV - the riders like it and if a rider thinks that 2 gate 1`s in a meeting gives him an advantage for going fast in qualifying, then what`s wrong with that ? Don`t forget the track isn`t necessarily best the 1st race after a grade- i accept that it normally is but then the rider has to pick the best line without making a mistake. If the riders and TV like it, then it`s good enough for me !! Edited December 17, 2020 by racers and royals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted December 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, racers and royals said: Don`t forget the track isn`t necessarily best the 1st race after a grade- i accept that it normally is Smiling at the contradiction of what you say. One thing that is certain. The first rider gets a much better track than rider 5,6 and 7. Timed practise is worthless as the track is not the same for every rider. Just my opinion of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,730 Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, Mark said: Smiling at the contradiction of what you say. One thing that is certain. The first rider gets a much better track than rider 5,6 and 7. Timed practise is worthless as the track is not the same for every rider. Just my opinion of course. That is not certain as you well know- if the track is wet when the dirt line moves out 5,6 or 7 could quite easily get the best of track conditions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites