szkocjasid 3,090 Posted July 8, 2023 4 hours ago, gmuncie said: The trouble with that is you would then have riders that it benefitted to be a ‘gun for hire’ Purposefully have a poor spell when in a team so you get a deflated average then the next season tour round the country guesting for everyone that needs one riding 3 or 4 times a week naming your price. 4 hours ago, crescent girl said: The rule has always (for years and years) been there: A guest must be in an official 1-7 in any (British) league. While it unfortunately prevents unnattached riders such as Proctor or Turner guesting, it also stops a crafty promoter parachuting Zmarzlik or Madsen in for a vital fixture, or more likely in the scenario suggested above where a rider could remain unattached but hawk himself around the leagues on a 'have bike, will travel' basis The rule might be harsh on Turner, etc, but it is necessary. 3 hours ago, Cast1rn said: Simple fix, guest bookings with no attached team count towards your average. As @Cast1rn points out a simple solution is to make unnattatched guest riders matches count to their averages, like what they do in the National league. Despite any pitfalls mentioned I still think using an unnattatched guest is far more logical than a rider guesting for a rival & potentially putting his own team out of the play-offs / bsn semis etc 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,090 Posted July 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Cast1rn said: To find a suitable solution, just needs like minded sensible people to sit around a table to discuss and write the adjustments to the rules , provide them to a selective group for dissection and attempt to break or bend them and once the QA is complete implement them the following year. They should do that every year for all the rules. Often a new rule is thought of to fix an issue, bit will create a problem elsewhere, it seems they don't always consider the downsides! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,397 Posted July 8, 2023 It’s a simple sport made complicated by ill thought out rules. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
szkocjasid 3,090 Posted July 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It’s a simple sport made complicated by ill thought out rules. Very true, the daftest example I can think of in recent years was Robert Lambert due to be missing a Newcastle match the day after an international, choosing to ride abroad instead. As he was racing in another meeting - no guest was allowed. Then when the other meeting was postponed a guest was allowed as it was a day after the international! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ch958 2,396 Posted July 8, 2023 the rules have to be complicated because people are always looking to bend them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,397 Posted July 8, 2023 11 minutes ago, ch958 said: the rules have to be complicated because people are always looking to bend them That’s why they are ill thought out though.Open to different Interpretation most of the time( depending what Promotion though) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,247 Posted July 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Fromafar said: That’s why they are ill thought out though.Open to different Interpretation most of the time( depending what Promotion though) ...Ian Thomas was a past master! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites