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Well deserved first signing and one should have been for the Comets. Staying behind and ricking his chances of a visa shows commitment for a club and richly deserves to be name the first name on the team sheet.

With there now being a conversion rate for riders doubling up/down, have the BSPA released which of these averages will be used for riders riding in both leagues. For example Harris has a Premiership average of 7.78, and a Championship average of 7.71. If you convert the Premier league average it will be a lot higher than his current one in the Championship. For me if you wish to reduce the amount of doubling up/down, the higher of the two averages when converted should be used.

Glasgow are a total joke to British speedway. Pleading poverty in speedway star last week saying this will be there last year unless things change and costs reduce. Then poach a rider who has already agreed a deal with another club, offering silly money in the process. Well guess what Glasgow promotion, you are creating the problem, not just for yourselfs but also for every other club In British speedway. I think rasmus has made the wrong choice and one he could regret.

Welcome Home Mason...best 10grand we ever spent....those weegies didn't see a good thing when they had him!!! I for 1 am pleased he has 'loyalty'

Welcome back Mason!

THJ seems to forget when Denham threw his money about,Topinka,Dolan,Stoney,Kildeman Rymel ect.Just let the clubs get on with it.38 pt limit for everybody averages don’t lie most of the the time.

in all fairness i would imagine that if Glasgow pay more [which is no bad thing really,thats life] im far from convinced in most cases it is much more than others,or not enough to cause problems anyway and its a bit rich Workington fans having a pop as they also have a reputaion as being strong wage payers,you dont get Kindt/Bach for peanuts thats a fact

There have been some very good points made and some we don't like but are very valid , however as some have said to accuse Glasgow of potentially ruining the sport all alone is just plain stupid. If we want to pay our riders in Gold Sovereigns we can, as I have said it is up to other clubs to operate there club there way and us the way we see fit, people get paid more in all walks of life sh*t happens. The dramatization and bigging the scenario up is both comical and stupid at the same time, there is not a lot more to be said people will always have a go at us all we can do is sit back and let them whilst pis*ing ourselves laughing while they do it.

Probably tried to sign up several race nights at once.

A plane????????

Your owner has just threatened to pull the plug due to losses yet still seems to apparently be paying way over the odds for riders? I wouldn’t be pis*ing my self laughing, I’d just be pis*ed off because once the Facenna’s go it will be back to where you guys was before they saved the club just with a nicer stadium. Or no club at all?

You do know that Glasgow can only sign 7 riders for the beginning of the season?! How many riders are there?! What riders have we poached/poaching?! The fact is, riders like the vast majority of people that go out to work, want to obtain the best deal for the services they provide. Likewise, employers want to take on the people that will provide their business with the best opportunity to succeed and flourish. What Glasgow decide to pay their riders has very little impact and certainly does not force other clubs to pay more. It's funny how none of Glasgow's critics have maybe thought riders want to join Glasgow because they will get paid the amount agreed and within the time frame agreed, for me that sort of security is worth more than £5-10 extra per point! How many people move jobs for more money? It doesn't mean that others doing the same job in different roles across the sector all go and demand (and receive) more money. Like Gazc has pointed out, yes we made a loss this year but how much of that was apportioned to the one-off big buys - track, fence, TV screen etc?! It's too easy for people to come on here and start spouting sh!t with no basis for their accusations.

It is getting tiresome now we get it you don't like the Glasgow promotion. Now go and tell someone who actually cares.

THats quite correct and Buster could well get his fingers burned if he doesn’t treat the Club and Panthers fans with the respect they deserve because he has never been Mr. Popular at the Eoes and I can’t see that changing just because he now owns the club - his name would have been number 3 or 4 on a list after the Hortons of less than desirable owners - Godfrey (Scunthorpe) taking 3 or 4 beside him! Anyway it is what it is now but GED in contrast is still held in high regard by many fans and him still being there makes Chapman’s tenure bearable. Panthers fans (and Witches to) will not settle for being treated 2nd or 3rd best so I would have thought it preferable if each Club is run as a separate entity to avoid accusations of conflict of interest which could very quickly turn into lost revenue - but at least it will yes be Buster’s money and not Rathbone’s or Louis. It will certainly add interest off track watching what develops throughout the coming season.

Glasgow are a total joke to British speedway. Pleading poverty in speedway star last week saying this will be there last year unless things change and costs reduce. Then poach a rider who has already agreed a deal with another club, offering silly money in the process. Well guess what Glasgow promotion, you are creating the problem, not just for yourselfs but also for every other club In British speedway. I think rasmus has made the wrong choice and one he could regret.

Got an awful feeling we might end up been the victims of our own success with the vultures with big pockets coming for the lads that helped us achieve so much this season.

Buster will obviously stamp his mark in various ways but thankfully the Eoes always insist on their own catering so we shouldn’t be subjected to 45 minute intervals for burger sales as he will not benefit from that!

Best k10 workington ever spent . thanks again tiggers .........campo, 2019 comet . ........ he has been outstanding in 2018 . thanks again .Merry Christmas .

It was sort of planned to be, put together to not win anything to keep costs down...only to surprisingly have our best and probably most expensive season ever!

Perhaps THJ should spend more time clinching deals rather than posting on the BSF; wouldn't be surprised if worky have lost a second rider in the last few days, not to Glasgow of course

I would'nt have Sarjeant on the track staff never mind the team. Send him the same way as Harris.

One of, yes - Countless people whinge about how long it takes to complete a meeting. People get fed up up and won't come back. So if everybody starts to run meetings effeciency then that will stop alot of moans and groans.

Hell of a lot of rubbishe being bandied about, Business is simple, spend more than you take in , and the business will come tumbling down.

and what makes you think that we let him go? has it ever occured that the lad didnt want to return to Scunthorpe?

Maybe because steve Didn't want to ride for us

I think you are overstating the reaction that you say is distain and jealousy Gaz. Most clubs/supporters would love to have the improvements in the stadium and the quality of the team that Glasgow has delivered. It upgrades the sport in general when it can be shown the bar has been raised, in the same way Belle Vue did with the National Stadium. Unfortunately Glasgows aggressive approach to being the best does have an effect of the running and the costs that other clubs pay their riders. Once a new top heatleader pay level has been reached by one club, it cascades down for all the other number 1's to ask for more money, and then the. lesser heatleaders and second strings get in on the act. Same with sign-on's. Riders can stick out for the increase and ultimately clubs have to fall in line to give their fans the team that the fans want and will support. It's rather being shortsighted/unbelievable to think one club doesn't affect the rates of pay of another club. I note on here that many fans don't really, or pretend not to, know the rates that Glasgow has paid its riders in the recent years. Other fans know probably to the pound, because it is talked about widespread in the pits and I could have given you at least three riders wages from a couple of years ago. It's not really a secret anywhere. I think the irony to the rest of us is that Glasgow is bleating about losing a lot of money(most than any other club I know about), and appealing for more volunteers and saying they can't go on like this and continue with such losses. Who caused it ?

I can’t see harris riding for less money than they offered Wright ... some porky pies i think

Even if Glasgow do choose to pay riders more than other teams, (not that you provide any proof, right enough)......what difference does it make to what other teams pay THEIR riders? Ok, riders can ask for more based on what they hear Glasgow are paying, but that doesn't mean the other promoters have to pay. What are the riders going to do?....stop riding? What Glasgow decide to pay only affects THEIR seven riders and maybe does some team or teams out of a desired signing (or seven) It's business in the private sector. Wages can and do vary by large margins between different employers for people expected to do the same job.

Nothing wrong with Wright going were the money is, but definately nothing wrong with Garry Many sticking to his guns and not paying anymore than the budget the club works to ...simples.

I cant seem to find any worried people on here at all. Just decent Poole fans and fans of other clubs doing what we usually do at this time and have a guess/opinion what each teams 1-7 might be. Riders that certain fans might want back and others dont (quite clearly the Holder brothers divide opinion). Its called an adult debate................as i said cant see any people worrying on here. Check the other teams threads in all leagues , all fans doing the same, guessing the team and voicing an opinion

You will spoil it for them don't let the truth get in the way of a good old Glasgow bashing they are like sheep. Anyway this is not what they want to hear, we shall have someone along shortly to question this as they know for fact how much we pay. They heard it at the hairdressers last week and had it confirmed in Asda later that day so it must be true.

Fortunately i don't give a sh*t about spelling police , grammar police , any kind of police. In no particular order. Hipe tatt cleers thht upp fur ye calling a scot an illiterate Jock is like calling a Geordie a big daft Mackem.

10,000 minus 7000 is 3000 Even Jenga could tell you that one!

Costs have reduced 1] Previous team managers full time salary 2]The den has closed was making a loss outwith the speedway meetings 3]New safety fence purchased no cost this year 4] Major trackwork completed minimal cost this year 5] Den managers full time salary think that would come to a fair cost.Please tell me where it says we have signed Rasmus Jensen lastly what are we paying him, we could not agree a deal with Bach last year but you did funny that

Nobody can knock the way ged and his team interact with the fans .buster best be aware what the supporters club and the volunteers do for the club because without them the club couldnt survive

Mac you are spot on and I cant disagree with any of what you say however being in high profile businesses for the last 30 years (most of them were on hills - lol - get it... high profile, never mind I thought it was funny) being in business for many years I have never operated in such a divisive environment and with such a ramshackle way of operating and it is probably borne out in my own frustrations that I am venting my spleen. How the hell the likes of George English, Tony Jackson, John Campbell Alex Harkness Stewart Dickson and all these guys who have been around for years put up with the "crepe" what goes on is starting to astound me and it is a real eye opener that's for sure. So its time to head off for a few bottles of the old "Newckie Brown Ale" to settle the frayed nerves (probably a dozen or so and the worlds largest kebab at the end of the night) Regards THJ

A useful marketing ploy is to consider the wishes of the customer (fans)

You beat me to it jenga! Nice to see 'loyalty' before £££££'s

do you honestly think the fabulous 2018 Workington team was on a Budget?

Thats what the tradition was.... Watch the morning meeting at Compost Corner and then dash back to the stadium. Riders vans and supporters vehicles in one big convoy through Thetford forest. Much prefer that to the Afternoon at Foxhall and then at night at Lynn. Even though you still had the Witches fans racing back through the Forest after a big win.... 1998 saw one Witch continuing his overtakes through the Forest...ah the good old days

To be ``Honest``,,,,,i never saw any jealousy really for the fine treble from Workington,only saw alot of congratulations and im not really sure that is was only last season Workington had to pay over the odds,i can remember trying to Sign Jorgenson a few years ago and couldnt get near what was offered by the Comets but again i have no problem with that over the odds is also a strange one as some clubs have higher ``odds`` than others ! being a capitalist free market pig myself i have no problem with that!

Not sure I could cope with having to boo, jeer and hiss at both teams!

I like the look of that team, very balanced and 3 guys that could all be at number 1 depending on form. I reckon we will see Cook back. I know he takes up a chunk of points but when you think we have dropped 4.5 points off team building and only 2 years ago we had Worrall, Summers and Lawson all on c9pt averages then having Cook and one those other two heat leaders on an average of c6 points then I feel it is a gamble worth taking. Not only will he be favourite in most Heat 13&15's he will also be able to help and mentor the younger members of the team. The big question is what Workington rider have we tapped up/poached/offered mental money to? Proctor/Klindt/Jensen?

Whilst the promotion maintain they offered Charles the "agreed going rate" and he has decided to go elsewhere. At no point have they stated that they also offered the "agreed going rate" to Harris. We all know the answer to that one. Garry probably has done everything he could to sign Charles, but Garry doesn't sign the cheques.

Agree that, it happens, its life,,, but if you verbally agree, or sign a deal you should do your best to honour it. It makes good sense for future dealings. Maybe riders should offer their services on e-bay, buy now or best offer. Then they can be rated by feedback

When you have signed a contract that's it otherwise action is usually taken. You see it in football regularly. If the BSPA own the asset you go to them first THEY OWN THE ASSET it's not no one owns the rider the BSPA own him therefore you go to the owner of the asset first before you speak to the rider. They may know what the situation is with the rider and that he is available or they may not... So then you go to the club who are using that asset to see what the situation is before you speak to the rider The club can only say we are using him then you should back off or no fill your boots you can have him we are team building in a different direction. You don't go to the rider and say "here mate we will double what you are getting now if you sign for us" it poisons the water and undermines everything else the club using that rider is trying to do. It also inflates the wage structure He may have been on 50 quid a point at the first club but by circumventing the process you have immediately made a 50 quid a point rider think he's worth double that Where as if you had followed the process you would have said to the rider "mate we will give you 5 quid a point more than you were getting last year" he's happy you have saved 45 quid a point and when you drop him half way through or at the end of the season he isn't on this ego trip where he thinks he's worth 100 quid a point as a reserve. But no some folk don't want to do that they want to ring every rider they can without following a process and say they will double their wages. Then pick the best 7 from the 27 they have had a go at and the other clubs can kiss their proverbial butts cos they want to do what they want to do... Some attitude that eh!!! Go for it I say and when there are 7 or 8 professional clubs left in the country and the rest are amateurs good on ya it's the "in maxim" these days "screw you I'm alright Jack" Regards THJ

Someone offers you a job at £x and you verbally agree terms . You go home and someone else phones you and offers you £x amount more . So you call the first one and say " sorry i've changed my mind " . I've done that in the past and so has thousands of other people , it happens , it's life . But to blame Glasgow for threatening the future existance of clubs and dangering the future of speedway as a whole is hysteria bordering on paranoia . If a club offers to pay a rider more money than another club will , then deal with it . The only future Glasgow is threatening is possibly it's own for the gamble of being a good payer .

Yup that sounds about spot on! That is what should happen. THJ’s post summed up in fewer words with less of a headache

People on here talk about bad promoters, but as shown by some comments on here, they are more than matched by bad fans who try and contaminate the sport.