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Well we were both on the same lines HT in thinking it would never happen and we are both on the same lines now! What a coup for the club, and what a potential team for the PL pairs in Barker & Ashworth! Welcome to Plymouth Ricky, great signing!! 9.98 left for the last two if my maths are correct.

Hart has always been a 3 or 0 man at Plymouth. On his first visit with Ipswich last season he had a few 3's and a few 0's on his second visit it was mainly just 0's and personally I've never really rated him. Sadly our promoter listen's to one person and one person only and that's himself!

I'd put Sitera in between the pair but unlike Kus, Sitera has plenty of British experience. I'm not saying Sitera would pull up trees but I'd expect him to hit at least 6 and be a solid middle order man. Put him alongside Boxall at 3&4 and we could do a lot worse, granted we could also do better but that wouldn't be the worst middle order pairing.

Crikey on 5.15 he would be the bargain of the season! Ashworth, Sitera and a decent reserve wouldn't be the worst side.

What would Sitera's PL average be then?

Fil on our small track! Hmm, could be worth a punt though!

Just to get the rumour mill going Ricky Ashworth is now friends with Plymouth Speedway on Facebook! It's on peeps!!

Full time EL maybe? It's just sad that because of Mr Bowden's actions of previous seasons us fans automatically rule out signing top riders when realistically we can afford to have a very competitive team at PL level. I appreciate Ricky is based in Manchester but if the right deal was on the table and Mr Bowden showed some ambition to recruit proven quality performers (Barker aside) he could well be up for it.

Ashworth would be superb and that would give us a tremendous top 2 although I simply can't see it happening in a million years. Hef would be a good option in my opinion despite all the injuries he's had he's on a low average which should improve, although Bowden will probably go for Smart instead. Holder, no thanks I'd rather take a punt on a 3 point NL rider to be honest and I'd take Cockle over him also every day of the week.

Absolutely agree and in my post I said he's a nice guy and a trier but went on to say he hasn't done it at Plymouth and didn't want him back with Werner already signed! This is how crap writers make stories out of nothing by twisting words, Naj is good at that I have to admit!

Your posts really don't help your cause! I take it all back, mon the Brent!

Really nice guy and tries hard but never really got going in Devils colours. Personally I would have had him back but we signed Werner instead! Having both would be um bad!

North, lol, I highly doubt that!! I'm also led to believe Jesper isn't racing in England next year. Werner I hope, I'm still hoping he gets lost on the way to P&P and retires as a result

It's been confirmed in today's local paper that Plymouth have signed Steve Boxall for 2012 and are hoping to finalise a return for Ricky Wells in the coming days. Welcome to Plymouth Steve, he goes well at our place and hopefully he can improve on his starting figure. Fingers crossed the Ricky deal can be sorted and announced shortly also which will give us 11.91 for the final two.

What annoys me is that Leicester finished bottom of the pile (mainly due to their early season form) and have done something about it by signing quality riders in Nemo, Bjerre and Karlsson to ensure that doesn't happen again. Yet we are talking about Cockle, Kristiansen and Werner. Yes we have Ben which is superb but we proved last season that Ben can't win the league on his own. Mr Bowden believes Brent Werner is the answer to our frankly weak middle order of last season, I think that says all you need to know about our likely chances for next season!

Hopefully before March

Oh no, Werner is confirmed on BSPA site now

Good point! Personally I'd rather he just didn't ride for us!

And in my original post I said that the team was muted to be the 7 riders I named, I didn't say that was the team he was signing but the fact that those 7 were mentioned with no-one else does suggest that is the sort of team we will be seeing.

It's called the Evening Herald newspaper, maybe it's them then that have no idea or possibly even the promoter himself after all it's his words. Here's the link for you to read whilst you eat your humble pie... http://www.thisisply...tail/story.html

Fingers crossed your right mate!

But the difference is when Boxall turns up he'll score points, Brent may as well not bother turning up!

Glanz is a 3 I believe and Werner is 5.83 from the figure he last attained with Newport in 2009. He rode 4 meetings in 2010 with Somerset achieving an average of less than 2! The way Gary Spiller has been treated as some have already mentioned was disgraceful (the letter still hasn't arrived I'm told). I don't want to say too much but Gary was told by Mr Bowden he was sacked only for Mr Bowden to tell Seemond (new team manager) that Gary was taking time out! If you want to know the full story then head over to the Devils forum where you can read most of the tripe that has gone on recently. As for the team, well sadly we could've had a top team for this season but Werner is the first of what I believe will be another poor team. I genuinely feel Seemond Stephens would do better. Brent sold all his machinery after being dropped from Somerset so I ask who at 36 is going to invest heavily enough in good equipment to give yourself a chance of being competitive. His average is terribly high and he will get nowhere near it. In yesterday's local paper Mr Bowden is muting the team to be this... Barker Cockle Kristiansen Werner Wells Franchetti Glanz Now I and everyone else know full well that team will be an embarrassment to this great league and would come in over 4 points short of the 42.5 limit. There are riders out there on decent averages that have shown they can ride the SBA well that could help us to be competitive, Boxall, Sweetman, McGowan are examples of riders yet to be signed that could turn us into a decent side. But yet again it seems we will have a side on the cheap that will get smashed away and struggle at home. As a Plymouth fan I'm ashamed!

Ben Barker and Brent Werner for Plymouth... http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Devils-retain-number-rider-Barker-real-coup/story-13961630-detail/story.html

Well Mr Bowden remains at the helm for 2012 and has confirmed that Ben Barker has agreed to return to the club for 2012. Sadly for some unknown reason he's also signed Brent Werner