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but 500 people at £10 is not £5000. Immediately remove the cost of collecting the fees, let's say they use ~Paypal and it's 50p per transaction, then immediately you've lost £250. Many other costs will increase through volume - admittedly some may decrease - but simple maths doesn't do it. Twice as many watching at half the price will almost certainly not generate the same income.
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don't know - can't afford to buy it.
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i doubt £3-£4 would even cover the cost of collecting your payment, employing the production personnel and arranging the connection to your laptop. What's the point of losing money on it?
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EFL football £10 per game - season pass available. Think people have to get their heads around the fact that if they want to watch a streamed meeting then they have to pay a price which covers the production costs and makes a profit ... and that is not a fiver!! Newspapers are a prime example of how everyone wants access to the product but are not prepared to pay for it. If the British Final and the Belle Vue streaming makes sense financially then it might encourage more in the future. I have no doubt that people want to buy streaming -I've still to be convinced that they are willing to pay a viable subscription fee.
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Speedways governors have failed us
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
still it allowed John Berry and his rose-tinted glasses wearing supporters to claim he had all the answers without ever having to prove it. Maybe he did, we'll never know, but wasn't he involved in a less than stellar attempt to run Wimbledon after his success at Ipswich? -
Speedways governors have failed us
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
It is a huge problem. Speedway tracks with locations similar to cricket clubs - heart of the community, surrounded by houses - are few and far between ... and subject to severe planning restrictions to operations. Nothing to stop them building good facilities though. -
Speedways governors have failed us
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
I'm not really arguing against you - speedway's biggest problem has been its decision to be tenants and not owners but, and Berrington Lough is an example, owning your own stadium is not the simple answer to untold riches. I'm well aware of the strength of league cricket in Yorkshire and Lancashire - albeit it is much weaker now than when I watched the CLL, Lancashire and Bradford leagues regularly between the late eighties and mid-noughties, but let's be honest the point of a league cricket club is not to make money through attendances but to subsidise running, often a large number, of cricket teams through non-cricket activities. They also don't - legally at least - pay all bar one of the players at the club so while a lot of the points you make have are valid on the it's not really a like-for-like comparison - although Somerset do seem to have followed the blueprint by subsidising speedway through its hospitality facilities. The regular 1000 plus crowds seem fanciful as I doubt that any non-county cricket ground can currently hold anything approaching that number although in the days when Richards, Sobers, Worrall, Garner and Cronje played league cricket in Lancashire may very well have. -
Speedways governors have failed us
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
True owning the stadia would open up all sorts of other income but also adds to the outgoings. Your Lancashire League cricket club will not take £250,000 from clubhouse hire this year so that will leave them in a mess because - unless things have changed since I used to watch it - most clubs struggle to attract three figure crowds through the turnstiles. Commercial sponsorship and corporate hospitality must all be under real threat as businesses either fold or cut back on outgoings after lockdown. -
Speedways governors have failed us
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in Speedway News and Discussions
On the contrary I would say it was pretty much every british sport with the exception of top division English football, rugby union and cricket. They are the only ones subsidised by huge TV contracts the rest have to make their own money. -
It's a huge leap I accept. The one thing I would say is that people said "who'll go to pub/a cafe/McDonald's takeaway/Starbucks/hairdressers/barbers etc and once they re-opened enough people managed to overcome their fears. To be honest anyone who was too afraid to commit to a 10/12 meeting season probably should just put it on ice until 2021.
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or until the government decides to lift the limit on the size of gatherings. The "good" thing about Boris and Co is just because they say something one day it doesn't mean they won't do something entirely different the next. I assume that smaller sports such as lower and non-league football, rugby etc are lobbying to allow at least limited numbers into grounds asap. That's the group that speedway would fall into
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Simply because gatherings of that size at sporting events are still illegal
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Interesting opinion ... but a load of rubbish.
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didn't realise he was a season ticket holder
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must have missed that. Which post suggests that some season ticket holders know what's happening?
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So the idea that when you want a question answered you contact those who can answer it directly rather than leaving a throwaway message on a forum doesn't make sense to you? Contacting those involved directly by email does makes sense. Perhaps the club is waiting to see what happens before making any announcement. It does seem a gamble to roll season tickets over to next year before knowing how many (if any) meetings are to be held this season and what the format of the league for next year is. Could end up being the bargain of the century with ten Championship matches in 2020 and another 20 in one big 2021 league all for a heavily discounted 2020 price. Then again maybe Covid won't have disappeared and we might still be in lockdown this time next year. I suppose how many season tickets were sold by individual clubs might have a bearing on things. Perhaps you could trot around the other club forums and demand to know how many each of the clubs have sold.
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leicester lions track hire ?
George Dodds replied to davieb1's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
While I agree with the Premiership and its reliance on fly-in/fly-out "names" I'm not sure that the Championship clubs would be offering much different to what was planned in March - except the actual number of fixtures of course. How the Prem makes itself look different from the Champs could be a tricky one -
Just wondered if he had been in touch to ask them. Really an issue involving the club and those who bought season tickets.
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leicester lions track hire ?
George Dodds replied to davieb1's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
But it's not 25% of crowds but 25% of stadium capacity. If - and who knows what the British government will decide - England and Wales had the same restrictions then the likes of Berwick, Poole, Leicester, Kent and Somerset would all be able to allow around 1,300 spectators (capacities of late 4,000 plus). Peterborough's main stand seats over 2,000 on its own so I suspect they would be around the same capacity, Belle Vue and Sheffield would be allowed around 1,000 but that would surely depend on what parts of the stadium other than the home straight they could open at Owlerton. Glasgow's low capacity and high overheads would have left them trying to balance the books on crowds of under 1,000 - others already do that with differing degrees of success. It's not a given that it could or would work - or even get the go-ahead - but it's not impossible either. -
Have you contacted the club and asked them?
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Polish Extraleague 2020
George Dodds replied to racers and royals's topic in International World of Speedway
According to Digital Spy forums Premier has been unable to reach an agreement with the owners of Freesat over how much they pay to appear on the platform. https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/comment/96833798#Comment_96833798 -
2m rule scrapped from july 4th to 1m
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
and what a great society she left us with. Not as if the rich got richer and found it easier to avoid paying tax is it? Actually she did roll over after the Poll Tax riots and switched it from a tax on every adult to one on households. Who do you think benefited most from that? Oh yes those who owned more than one house. Funny that. -
2m rule scrapped from july 4th to 1m
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
Yeah because there was no riots or strikes in the years that Maggie was in control was there? -
2m rule scrapped from july 4th to 1m
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
but how can they have anything but hope? At the moment it would be illegal to stage a speedway meeting in front of a paying public. For that to be possible it needs a number of decisions to be made by politicians at a high level. Once those decisions are made stadium owners and promoters will know what has to be in place before the public can be admitted to the stadiums. Then they can tell those planning to turn up at the meetings what they have to do to make that happen. -
2m rule scrapped from july 4th to 1m
George Dodds replied to ruckerroo's topic in SGB Championship League Speedway
and at most stadiums the normal crowd is a relatively small proportion of the potential capacity. One thing that has to be accepted is that there may have to be different mindsets from promoters and spectators to make things happen. And there may be some who cannot attend or a fearful of finding themselves among crowds. That's a real shame ... but not necessarily a reason not to try.