Bagpuss

Hence why he said some

I can't imagine that we've signed an entire EL team in a week. Must be staying PL.

If there are sensitive negotiations happening then it wouldn't be prudent of them to release details in the press. We just have to be patient, people. Anybody would think we were a month away from tapes up, not four!

Not all of us are against it.....as long as we are competitive I'm open to the idea.

Andrew, thats the most sensible thing posted on here all day. Probably all year in fact. Not sure what to make of it all to be honest. Will wait for official announcements I think.

Even though Andrew E is nothing but a moaning minnie he's got a point as that team would come in at around two points under the limit. Swap J-Lo for Richard Sweetman however and it'd be 0.01 under

I wouldn't mind if he was as it would mean a rock solid team and probably represents the only way we could have Emiliano back. In theory if Tom was number one we could also have Schrammy, Lasse, Emiliano, Adam and Kozza and still have nearly five points for the other reserve.

This really should be a comfortable win for Buxton over the two legs but it will be interesting to see how the Young Stars handle the pressure of a final. Will be great experience for the likes of Jake & Lewis. Looking forward to the second leg next Wednesday.

I'm certainly not Gollob's biggest fan but he has deserved it this year. Brilliant stuff from Bomber tonight no surprise of course that he has done much better this year with generally more dirt around but its great to have a Brit in the world's top eight on merit

You answered your own question.....Harris should have been on the Joker in that earlier ride that he blitzed. We were shouting at the TV for Lyon to do so. but no - The law of the sod meant that Harris won the races either side of his Joker ride and ended up on his backside for the double points race. Team GB did as well as could be expected. Respectable 4th place was the best we could hope for before the meeting and that's what we got! Edit - Bagpuss left the laptop logged in....post was actually by Jenn!! I'll be in bother when he realises I've lost where he was up to in this thread....!!

Well done Poland, looked the strongest team on paper and proved it after a pretty messy start. Haven't read through the thread as I expect its full of negativity but I thought the Brits did as well as anyone could have hoped really. With better use of the Joker I guess third could have been achieved but we always looked the fourth strongest on paper. In any case second third or fourth are much of a muchness, its the winners who people remember. The most important thing for me is that we weren't a distant fourth and went down fighting. Hopefully the performance can be built on in 2011. Though the referee got his calls right with the exception of Gollob in heat three, was an all four back all day long. EDIT Have to add that even though Rob has to take the blame for the Joker mistake, its pretty clear from what was said that the riders (presumably Bomber in particular) have an input in the decision too.

Or Millsy's.

It would have to be a Civil Partnership

So that means if we finish fourth it will be the track's fault and not Rob Lyon's?

What about the bit where you said it would be a walk in the park for the Aussies? You really are the most stubborn man.

It makes you wonder what people expect.....we've had two meetings with a fair bit of passing and results which have gone down to the last heat. Both meetings certainly entertained me.

I don't think its been all that bad to be honest. Like Monday riders are unsure of the best line and its led to some pretty good action, for the minor places at least.

Silly boy

Not unfathomable at all, the youngsters were picked for the good of the future. A plan which going by the averages of Kennett, Bridger and to a lesser extent King appears to have failed badly. Wasn't aiming it at you particularly ladyluck, apologies.

Yet many people still had the Aussies down as favourites and were berating the choice of track People can't have it both ways.

I can certainly see your point mate but for me the other factors I mentioned need fixing first to encourage teams up. I'd be interested to know how much input the BSPA / SCB have in which British track hosts SWC events.

Extra costs (especially in a recession) Foreign riders missing fixtures as they are riding in their own country Disjointed fixtures due to GP's, SWC, World Championship qualifiers Facilities handed out on a whim Lack of variety (which a few clubs moving up would obviously solve) Average fixing (allegedly) They would be my guess, The promoters at Lynn, Rye House, Brum, Edinburgh, Newcastle and Sheffield would give you better answers though I'm sure. I don't for one minute think the PL is perfect cos its not. I would love to see my team in the EL but there are obviously a good reasons why the EL has only been nine teams strong for nearly ten years now. And you're not telling me its because Rye, Sheffield and Lynn have hosted one FIM meeting each in that time?

Don't let orion hear you saying that

It may work the other way and encourage them to take the plunge.....Buster has already described last night as incredible on local radio and perhaps he might fancy a few more night like that in the EL in future? I respect your opinion and you obviously know your speedway but are you really so blind that you can't see why clubs are loathe to move up? If the EL got its house in order and made the step up more attractive you may well get your wish. Which I actually share....a much more stable EL product at Lynn every Wednesday would be great.

So will I salty King's Lynn, Sheffield and one or two others might step up if there was more incentive. Huge costs, disjointed fixture lists, foreigners taking the p*ss, average manipulation and lack of fixture variety (which could be solved by three or four clubs moving up of course) do not encourage PL clubs to make the step up. Especially during a recession. And I don't subscribe to the view that PL racing is lots better. To me its much of a muchness across the three leagues if the track is good and the teams are even.