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This has also been answered in the post that follows by Jim The Whipper. i don't think this is an option as Mr Hemsley doesn't want to change the track. Had he thought this was an avenue he wanted to go down he could have changed the track by now, and at no financial outlay to himself. That i'm fairly certain of so to speak. The issues we currently have, as many mentioned on the Glasgow meeting thread, was that it would appear that the tractors, bowser and all the track equipment had disappeared during the week of that meeting and only a last ditch rental of a monster tractor allowed some last minute preparation. Not enough though as the track had huge holes in it was, frankly, dangerous.

don't disagree Vince. I guess one strange phenomonen that does exist as the fanbase contracts is that the support for the promoter actually increases as there is a percentage increase in people left still enjoying their night out. I suppose a point you could make as a comparison with Newport is it's probably better as a promoter, rather than listening to all the happy customers, if he can realise that this phenomenen is happening before you end up at a point where you have a fanbase of 300 fans of the fayre and 100 who just can't give it up in regular crowds of 400. At that point there almost no way back, as shown by the situation at Newport. Leicester are halfway there and train appears to be still rolling on dropping a few off at every junction.

I've missed what's happened here. It appeared it was Glasgow but now not. Where's Roynon going now?

The second time i've seen you use this simile as an argument Vince. Interestingly you could use a whole host of promoter pairings to fit any argument you're trying to make about the situation at Leicester. Doesn't take someone which a huge knowledge of speedway to make very similar posts with regards to David Hemsley and Phil Bartlett, David Hemsley and Mike Bowden Or even David Hemsley and Tony Mole should you so wish. I'm sure you could see that with a few selective points all could easily be made to fit an argument someone might wish to make, but all would be equally just as pointless for obvious reasons, which is why i've never felt the need to make such a post. It's interesting that why I admit i do tend to stick to making posts about the things that cause me concern about Leicester Speedway at present, rather than our on track success, it's surely important that rumours on the terraces of non payments to contractors, repossessions of important equipment, the strange situation with regards to Nemo's testimonial, open to all public arguments between main sponsors & our promoter, dangerous tracks, lower than expected average crowds and so on and on are not just ignored because we don't feel we can say anything for fear we will be blamed for harming the current promotion. As someone who wants to see Leicester Speedway a success i genuinely feel these are worrying times. Is that so wrong? Mick.

He's probably took the opportunity to go on holiday whilst he's waiting for some new equipment to turn up! There must be a reason why he hasn't been on to give his version of why the track was allowed to be like that last saturday. He's clearly (and rightly) a very proud man when it comes to his tracks and his reputation for making a safe racing track for the riders and i do find it strange that he hasn't been on to tell us why it was like it was. As many have alluded to, it doesn't take Morse to work out what happened and why the track was like it was but i'm sure there are still a few who aren't seeing the forest for the trees. Something clearly amiss last week. Can i just finish by saying, loads of wins in a row though, good times!

You might be right Neb, after all It's all swings and roundabouts. Without cardiff Nemo would probably have lost 150 travelling fans but for all i know gained 250 Leicester fans who chose Cardiff over BP. A big name or 2 may also have added a few but the point i'm trying to make is that IMO there would be a lot more Lions fans there for Nemo's gig if the track issue had been addressed before this season or last season. Why else have so many fans disappeared from Leicester. Everything else about the stadium is first rate. The staff are the best you could meet. It's a nice environment once you're in there. And yet large amounts of proper Lions 'hat, scarf and coat wearing' fans have turned their back on the Lions over the last year (take a look at the fan pictures from meetings over the last 3 years in the LSSC facebook site). Someone else also pointed out that we now almost never see fans from other tracks like we did the first season and a half, what haoppened to all the fans in the Bees, Brummies and Wolves coats that used to make it over for meetings and i agree. That's not to say i'm wrong. it is just my opinion. Mick.

i dont disagree with what you say. i would say 800-1000 as a figure but i'd say 900-1100 could equally be about the mark. I would have put Karlsson's testimonial at well over 2000. The stands were full and it was pretty much two lines of fans all around the stadium. By the time i arrived I remember not being about to get a space on the back fence and certainly no holes on the track fence . The seats hold 400 as far as i'm aware and during a particularly mind numbingly boring meeting lately i did a head count on the stands and it had about 280 in there (admittedly on a night that wasn't the biggest of crowds). So my guess is that generally there are between 280-340 in the stands. Either way, whilst admittedly still more than most clubs get, there aren't a huge number of people going anymore and either way scarily big numbers have stopped going over the last two years. My point is even this time last year and Nemo's testimonial on a lovely sunny sunday i would have expected a crowd nearer 2000.

With all due respect you probably don't need to count the spectators to know, for example, that Nemo's testimonial had way less than half the crowd that Magnus got for his last year. That's in little over a year and Nemo and Karlsson are equally popular riders for the Lions. That was with busloads of Belle Vue and Workington supporters returning from Cardiff on a beautiful sunny day. Did DH attend Nemo's testimonial last week?

you're right but did they take any notice?

True, Graversen and Branford were up against Hall, who neither was going to beat, and Koppe, who other than his first heat had looked hopeless. It's worth pointing out that the tactics that work generally don't get noticed in the same way. I expected Sergeant to be replace in heat 8 even though in his first race he looked as good as either reserve had. Glyn kept him in and he won the race and looked the part as well. With that confidence he was then able to deliver in his last race as well. My opinion is If he'd been replaced in heat 8 there would be every chance he'd have not had the confidence to do what he did in his last race. It was great to see how proud James, and all his pit crew for that matter, looked with his efforts. I was made up for them. That was down to Glyn and we ended with 5 points instead of maybe 2 or 3. So these decisions are all swings and roundabouts. Personally i'd have put Edberg in heat 14 though

Great win. With the on track excitement not far off BP levels for most of the meeting Glyn was at least kind enough to keep the interest going to the last by not replacing Branford with the impressive Edberg (Good call by lionking) in heat 14. Great last heat by Nieminen at the second attempt. Brilliant performance by Seargent and he looked tidy all night, even in heat 1 he wasn't far off the pace against Allen. Anyone got any news on magnus karlsson? I heard he had a big crash in Sweden tonight.

That is what i meant Lionking. I think they are running a NL guest so they still have the option to use Karlsson in the team. As you say, If they replace him for the Sheffield meeting then we cant then redeclare with him in the team for 28 days. I heard that Roynon has been out practicing at BP and looking good BTW.

If it ain't the track and it ain't the promotion, which Hemsley is quite clear it ain't, then everyone buggering off to do something else on a saturday night has to be someone's fault. And his conclusion is that it still appears to be us and the recession.

I think they are usng a NL guest in the hope they can put together a team that includes Roynon and Karlsson. There is no reason otherwise. I think Neb probably has it in the 'teams looking for new riders' thread. I guess it depends on what Roynon's actual new average is as to whether they can redeclare with the league winning top 5 or not. I cannot currently for the life of me figure out the rolling averages this month. I had it last month but they ain't working this.

The area's i thought it was quite enlightening in were just how intransigent David Hemsley is to his product (best racing in the country) and the length's he will bulls**t to try and reinforce that position (i.e the track needing the stadium to be moved to allow alteration). You honestly could not make last night up! Mick.

no, my question didn't get asked. A part of it was quoted out of context. As i think i have mentioned above, Bikerfm didn't even ask their own question. With the server issues that BSF seem to be having i didn't even see post 196 till after DH had gone off air. Unfortunately i don't listen regularly to the show so didn't know they weren't doing a phone-in. Everything Bikerfm has posted seems to have pointed to a call in.

No i was waiting for the bit during the interview where you said call 0117 blah, blah blah if you want to ask david hemsley something. That's how phone in's usually happen isn't it? I sent in a shoutbox question asking you to ask your own question about shortening the track when David was going on about the cost of moving the stadium to accomodate track changes. I clearly need to work on my internet radio show skills ! and you appear to have posted that on the forum as he went on air??? surely an idea to post it before your show begins!

i've just sat all the way through that interview with my phone in my hand. At what point was the option to call in offered. Also, seeing as it was Bikerfm's track solution idea to shorten the straights why didn't you ask it when Hemsley was saying that to alter the track would require moving the stands etc. what a load of old b*ll**ks and 10 minutes of my life i'll never get back. I thought it was good interview. A lot of coughing and clearing the throat as he told us all how Leicester is the best racing track in England and provides the best entertainment though. Thats me paraphrasing though as i was rubbing my eyes they were watering so much so may not have caught exactly what was said. did my question end being used for the sole purpose of reinforcing his views about the racing.. i think it may of

what's just gone on there Bikerfm! I've just sat through this and you didnit even mention your own idea. What happened to the call in element of the show? i think an idea would be to give out the phone number to the people listening or was it just me!

Ok, the person first earmarked for the job.

Our original track curator. what was he there for? Can anyone remind me why he was replaced prior to us actually opening in 2011?

do you ever visit Leicester? Bjerre has been the only rider who has looked remotely likely to overtake anyone all season!

All relative Long Eye, all relative... was it one of many excellent passes that once again proved BP to be anything but a gaters paradise by any chance?

Only in the same way as Bjerre up against someone like your son would be fun should Bjerre miss the gate i.e it wouldn't really be fun because they are a different class of rider. Just out of interest, out of 10 how you have scored last night for entertainemnet and value for money

Did it happen though Tina? But you are right, he certainly gave everyone a masterclass of how to ride Bp. Gate, take it easy for 4 laps, flag.