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i'm guessing they would need to make the change before September. I thought today was the cut off date for changes to have been made for this season and anything after today would need to be only a direct replacement for a injured rider and only then if dispensation is given. We don't have the points to do that. we only have .73 to spare. Simon Nielsen (i'm guessing that is the Nielsen you are talking about) is 1.44 above Sargeant (Stefan is 1.90 above).

Simon Nielsen was a Plymouth rider when Edberg got injured. It's only our last 4 meetings that he's been without a team and i think we've had Douglas in twice and Albin and Worral. I think his results may have been slightly better than latter duo but not as good as the former (especially at Redcar when Douglas' two wins arguably put us back in the play offs helping take the full 4 points of our rivals). You are a bit of a puzzle TMW.. most of your posts deplore the use of journeymen foreign riders taking the reserve places of good up and coming English riders and here you telling telling us that a young English prospect in his first year in the PL who has a few falls because he trying too hard but is averaging near 5 points a meeting isn't worthy of a spot at reserve but a second season foreign reserve who has always been admittedly steady but generally has looked slow is good for a place. I'm thinking of ex Lions who are scandinavians and i'm not feeling inspired.. At least Eklof might get a few but generally it's uurrghh! Undeniably nice lads though... great news if he's fit. hopefully he'll be testing his injury prior to the meeting this time!!

I'm guessing replacing Nemo with Richard Hall. Would there then be enough points to replace Edberg with Tres? It hard to tell what the average of riders not currently with a team are.

As much as i'd like to just ignore you (and i honestly do my best) i do have to make these points with regards to your last post, starting back to front. At what point have i complained about the riders? You clearly read what you want, and for whatever reason, into what is written. I don't recall writing anything but praise for Doolan, Bjerre, Edberg or Sargeant. The only thing I have said about Graversen was when the debate was talking about our struggle to make the play-offs when i pointed out it's difficult to win things when you have a rider in your team who's home and away form are so different as it gives him a false high average in the important area of away meetings. Again, at no point i have i said i have an issue with Graversen over this, I was just pointing it out. i like him. I haven't said anything about Nieminen other than mention his form is considerably down on previous years and to question whether the situation affecting the running of his testimonial may be a factor or not. That's got to be a debatable topic, whether i'm right or wrong, that's what forums are all about. I've never complained about Rob Branford. All i have done is question whether he'd be better off in himself at a track other than BP as he seems to have the same issues mastering it as Lewis Blackbird had (and ditto Blackbird). This is then kind of linked to my pushing of Sargeant as a replacement should Branford be dropped as was being speculated on the terraces widely.. Along with a number of other clearly capable riders, Sargeant is the kind of battling young british rider who should have a place in the PL. Finally Karlsson. I'm not the uber fan you are, no. I didn't think he was good enough last year as the team was built around him being a far better rider than he ended up being. This year i haven't had a single problem with what he's done though. He's actually doing better than i thought he would. The only point i have made about Karlsson is that due to circumstances that are beyond his and the managements control we ended up replacing a rider expected to dominate the league in the way Craig Cook has with a rider who is a 7-8 point rider. That unfortunately has affected our chances of being successful. I have then questioned whether because of this the team balance needed altering. That's all i have said. You need to take more time understanding what is being said if you think i have said something different. Go and have a look again now. Irresepective, that's what forums are about Neb. debating stuff. Re: team manager. I'd love to see where i have complained or moaned about the team manager. I think Glyn is a top bloke. If anything i would say i'm more positive to him than anyone on here.. track prep. Surely having problems with the preparation of the track bought about by lack of equipment is a valid point to be making on a forum. Even Glyn was publicly pointing out some of the issues with the track and the reason Bjerre couldn't get going last week were due to his lack of tractors again. When the entertainment is affected by these issues then it becomes a debatable issue. Again, i try and give valid reasons for my issues with the promotion, but there you go, everyone has different agenda's and different way to deal with it. I try to just ignore the 3 or 4 people on both sides of the fence who sit there abusing each other and others constantly over issues to do with the promotion of the club. it's not hard to do. I don't want to name names but you know who i'm talking about don't you, they've all appeared over the last page or two of this thread? I don't get involved in what they say full stop as they add nothing to the debate and most decent debate end up floundering because of them (although when one of them drags me into the argument by being abusive to me, i might, now and again, end up writing a post just like this). If you don't want to read what someone has written, such as me, then you could just do the same. that's definately my last word on what you've got to say (though on this occasion i admit i have left the loaded gun or however you refer to it, fire away) cheers, Mick

As much as i appreciate the life coaching skills you keep offering me, unfortunately i don't need your advice. I'm happy spending my time and my life in a way i'm happy doing. I don't need to be told by you where and on what i should be sending charitable donations, what i should be spending my spare time being interested in and whatever advice it was that you offered in a post a week or so ago to me that i was busy ignoring before you either removed yourself or was more likely removed by the mods for being rude and abusive. This is a forum for debating speedway and yet whether someone is debating the merits of riders, track or promotion and has a view you don't agree with you're right in there giving it some abuse. Unlike you, I'm not looking to start a slanging match so that's my last word on it. Cheers, Mick.

Whilst i accept i don't have a clue as to the in and outs of the lease can i ask how was he allowed to tip waste on the whole site from day 1 with the deal from Maxi Waste If he wasn't ultimately responsible for the whole site. This seems to have happened irrespective of the whether investment groups were on board and as far i was aware isn't the whole site not in the name of Beamont Sports Complex ltd, a company owned by David Hemsley. It's only last year when he saying he was taking control of the whole site because investors hadn't come through on their side of the deal but at no point since the site's inception has he not appeared to be doing waste tipping or something on most of the site which would point to these investments areas being in BSC's control and not the council. I'm not saying i'm right but on the evidence of these two points alone i'm struggling to see how this happened if he wasn't ultimately in charge of the whole site from day 1.

When Dave Darcy was doing the track 'alterations' in february or whenever it was, i can't remember the time other than knowing it was just before Glyn Taylor was supposed to be doing them properly, i spoke to DH about what was going on with the complex and he told me he had taken over the whole project and that BMX tracks for the local yute etc were going to be happening. As much landscaping as has happened, and there has been a considerable amount, i've still seen nothing that resembles a BMX track. Re BTFC's comments, I'm fairly certain that DH would have been untimately responsible for all these investments groups being on board when the council agreed the complex and if the i's hadn't been dotted and t's weren't crossed with these investment groups then it's a bit rich to make out he's a victim of circumstance because everyone buggered off at the first sign of trouble.

so are we best utilising guests for Edberg and r/r for Nieminen or do we need changes. Depending how much we can use Douglas, he looks very good for a sub 4 point guest replacement. Swapping between Douglas and Wright looks a decent tactic. what's the way to go?

Great result for the Lions. Looks like it now gives us the slight adavntage over the bears for 6th spot as well. Good to see Graversen getting some points on the board away from home for the second meeting running. Well done to Glyn and the boys!

I wouldn't have thought he owns anything of that value though 1 valve. I would have thought the value of the lease is also governed by what can be used within the constaints of the lease and the amount of work required to show a return on your investement. I'd not be sure the relative value of the rubble mountains is actually considerably less that when DH started building them.

a straight jacket?

Your points are all reasonably valid and i can't really disagree in principle with anything you written. I don't have a problem with someone looking on the bright side of life but most the points you make, whilst valid, don't quite give the whole picture. I think unless you are from Newcastle or Workington or some such place and make it to Leicester once in a blue moon, if at all in some cases, then you'd have to be fooling yourself not to see the issues that are surrounding the promotion and track at Leicester. They are clear for all to see. Actually, it was perfectly summed up by the 2 posts above yours. It's all very well saying how our crowd is the envy of the premier league but it doesn't mean a thing if that size of crowd isn't paying it's way still and is on a undeniably downward spiral. The sport at BP appears to be getting bankrolled by a 'baffle barrier' of rubble from waste tipping that has now risen in places to above the height of the trees surrounding it (it's appears to be rising by 6 foot a week!). Even so, the promotion still doesn't appear to have the finances to even keep the basics such as track equipment in place. Surely the tipping can't go on indefinately. What happens when it stops. It's all very well saying the racing has improved, and i don't disagree it has, but other than on a couple of occasions it's still not great and due to the hopelessly stupid track dimensions, when not prepared to perfection, it still has the tendency to produce racing so dire as to make you forget a good meeting just past. Unfortunately you don't need to come on here know the issues surrounding Leicester. It's there for everyone to see week in, week out if you are unwilling to just ignore it on your visits. Whether it's fall outs with the staff, the riders, the actual promoters, the main sponsors, the small time sponsors, the people who have worked on the stadium, the people who rent stuff, the people who lent stuff, it's just goes on and most of it in a very public way. As a Leicester fan i'm afraid i find it bloody worrying. Mick.

I'm basing the cost of 6-7k and 3k on what people willing to do the job have said it would cost to get it done. i'm not even going near trying to answer your second paragraph

I agree, track curator producing crap track because he's turned up to work to find inadequate or no equipment ( and not for the first time lately).... Hilarious some of the things David Hemsley gets blamed for! my point is why all the staff, riders etc weren't in place to get going again the moment the sun wasn't a problem. If we are going to have enforced breaks at least make sure it all systems go when the break is over. watching from the sidelines it all had an 'in your own time' feel to it i'm afraid. Mick.

Tomicek sticks in my mind for either being far better at BP than his average would have suggested or he may have stuck in my mind as being one of the worst riders i have seen at BP. One or the other and i just can't place it.

I don't think you've been on BSF because we've also done the the reasonable suggestions of what needs to be done. We've been making reasonable suggestions since april 2011 if i remember rightly, much to the annoyance of the 'Hitler youth' and some friends oop north. Most suggestions involve shortening the straights by a decent amount and the apexs as well but by a smaller amount (whichi would guess would also allow the track to be prepared differently). General consenus is the cost of this is between 3k for altering one end (which would do the same job) and 6k-7k for both (or if you listen to David Hemsley, 1 million including the resiting of the stands!). Finances would not appear to have been a problem as offers have been made to the promotion previously to cover this cost (not the mil mind) though i think we've moved on too far for some since this was mentioned. Instransigence unfortunately appears to be the main stumbling block. The other option would be buying Nick Morris though i'm not sure that would be cheaper and it also doesn't have the long term benefits! Mick.

The saving grace of Leicester speedway are the gate staff and stadium staff. They are the best. Was third promoter Dave Darcy at the stadium tonight. When i walked past the stand he wasn't in his usual position. Was Flagrag right last week about the fall out?

Crowd looked pretty good tonight. Unfortunately they had to put up with a fairly inept gating display from the Lions on a track that absolutely needed gating on. They also had to put up with inexorable delays brought on by the sun, watering, grading, riders having two rides in a row, crashes and probably a couple of reasons i cant remember. Couldn't hang about for the final heat as i was already over half an hour late in meeting a friend down the pub but for the first time ever it didn't bother me as i'd watched one pass in fourteen heats and i'd ran out of speedway conversation having moaned the life out of the delays by heat 7. And as much as i like talking about how Kevin Doolan and James Sargeant nearly overtook someone nearly is not a pass is it.. To sum up the issues we had a 15 minute sun off. We had a rider sent out to check sun wasn't a problem about 5 minutes after the sun had completely disappeared from the track. Then after he returned with his verdict we had a 10 minute break while the the track staff returned to their positions. It's just wrong. That is not the correct order for these things to happen!. I'm not mentioning the tractors then going out about 2 heats later.. sorry, i just did. I noticed someone on the leicester facebook site a couple of weeks ago having a go at someone for moaning about the entertainment at BP as it was old news in a smug 'that shows the detractors were wrong after all' way. Hey, someone should tell him it's back on the agenda. Hopeless night out. Well done to Rye House though. Nelson looked great and i'd say Aspgren was the best reserve to ride BP since Morris i'd guess. Sad that it didn't happen as a Lion.

If Edberg is out for the season then i think we have 5.01 to replace him with which at least gives us options with some untapped foreign talent (i know, i know)... I did hear a rumour at one time that a young pole was touting for a spot in PL and he might be a decent shout. I'm sure he'd fit on a 5.00 due to a disastrous previous spell in the UK but if he brought something over a little more competitive then he might do a job similar to what aspgren is doing at Rye. Not sure how he'd be allowed to ride PL but Rempala did it a few seasons back so it's possible. Either way, Even at this late stage of the season, hopefully Glyn at least has a bit of scope this time to get someone in who might make turn our season around. Mick.

hoping so. Hopefully Sargeant will get a few points on the board as well. I think remember Mellgren looking very handy at BP before and Nelson and Bunyan have looked decent when they've gated (as most riders do at BP). Lyke also looked decent when he gated last year (i think it was his debut) but he appears not to gate at all any more so i can see him struggling. The key to to the Lions 3 points is how many Aspgren scores in his 7 rides. I think our top 5 may clean up today.

I don't think Charles Wright would have been able to guest for us. The reason for this i think is that although Charles Wright is a National League rider, because he has averaged over 4 points a match in the PL before, he cannot ride as a National League guest. He has to be a straighforward guest replacement and as such cannot guest at the same track twice in an 8 day period. I had Auty down as 3rd in my programme but I'm guessing 2nd could be explained by the fact that Karlsson had crossed the line before the ref stopped the race for the remaining riders and Auty was still ahead of his teammate at the time of that stoppage. That's the best i can come up with anyhows!

Whilst not wanting to get in an argument about who the best is and why anyone left, having seen Sargeant, Blackbird and Branford around BP then my money would be on Sargeant being the one to succeed as a Leicester rider riding BP on a regular basis. As far as Lewis Kerr is concerned, he seriously looked a rider in the making last year even when he was scoring zero as a PL guest and you would have needed to be blind not to recognise that he was a better prospect than either Blackbird or Nielsen. That is, i'm sure, why Glyn signed him. Unless you saw things through Dave Darcy's eyes and saw a top rider in the making before injury, then the only reason for keeping Nielsen over Kerr (or Blackbird) was loyalty. (That is IMO by the way, i don't need abusing for having a go at someone's favourite rider). The reason Kerr didn't end up a Leicester rider is open, i'm sure, to endless conjecture. Without wanting to ignore the pride of the midlands (some of us made the effort to go, not many, but some!), I'd have said one good meeting, one shocker and two OK meetings. I'd agree it's definately heading in the right direction, as any previous 4 meeting run would generally see 3 shockers and an ok meeting, but nearly 3 years down the line and most the fans have cleared off already so i'm not sure you could say well done Leicester for that..

Hasn't he got form with the Leicester medics when he rode for Sheffield.

that's exactly as i saw the incident with Ellis, Steve. Didn't see the offer from Karlsson though but certain elements of the crowd were booing Auty as he crossed the line clearly under power in heat 11. To compound these jokers Auty appeared to have hurt his arm as well (I'm guessing the chain whipped up at it?). Was Karlsson's offer after the Ellis race or Heat 13 when Auty went down. The unfortunate bit about heat 13 was there was a large element of the crowd cheering Auty as he went down, well before any offer of a lift back might have happened.

Too right Lionking. I was at a bit of a loss as to what the booing was for in the first place. What happened to Auty? He just looked like he locked it up on 3/4 and either spooked Ellis who was going for the big one to try and catch him up or else i think Ellis was in the process of a big off irrespective of Auty. It appeared to start in the stand, probably by the usual cliquey sets (that were back to getting call outs from the box and centre green last night) and then It became 'mob rules' pure and simple. Build up the part of these jokers week in, week out and that's what happens, you get what you deserve i'm afraid. Even people standing in front of me on bend 1/2 ended up booing by the time Auty hit the deck in heat 13. Mick.