tyler42

You might think it's good for TV, but is it good for the credibility of the sport? If people found it confusing in the past, then the fives rides is your score towards the championship and you can have a final with the four top riders to get a GP winner. That would surely keep the TV happy and also a much fairer system, as the rider who scores the most pts over the season is the champion. At least the riders who make the top six or is it seven whatever the cut for the following season is, have done it off the back of what they scored not what they were awarded.

But scoring 12pts means nothing as Max Fricke found out to his cost. A ridiculous scoring system when a rider scores 12pts and one bad ride in LCQ and its over. fair enough, but to take 4pts off his score and give Lambert 11pts, who to be fair struggled to get 7pts is not right. If you have scored 12pts then surely thats what you should end up with. Like wise, if you score 7pts then thats is what you should get.

It's speedway. You can't possibly have sensible scoring. The joker back in the day for the WTC was a joke, but this is absolutely pathetic and people wonder why speedway is not take seriously by the MSM

They really do need someone to tell Tatum and Louis the permutation and scores, because they haven't got a clue. We're watching and them two are about 3 seconds behind the live coverage. Has the director not noticed or do they not give monkeys. It's all rather embarrassing.

Having watched Freddy score 8pts and end up with 14pts. Same with Lambert scored 7pts ends up on 11. Then the other end of the spectrum. Fricke is joint top scorer with 12pts after everyone had had their five rides. He ends the night with one bad ride and gets 8pts. Its a farce. Is the reason to stop Zmarzlik running away with it? He's had two GP wins and a second out of five GPs, yet he is only 9pts ahead of Kurtz!

I totally agree. Speedway is not F1 or Moto GP they have one race and dish out the pts accordingly. Speedway has five races then and LCQ and a final. We had with Kubera. Scoring 6pts and ending up with 14pts Tonight as you said. Max scored 12pts but under this system ends up with 8pts Lambert ends up with 11pts! after only scoring 7pts on the night! Ridicules. Makes the sport a joke imo.

But due to the silly scoring system. You had Fricke score 12pts and Lambert 7pts from their 5 rides. After the LCQ Fricke ends up with 8pts Lambert 11pts!! So you had one rider have a fantastic night. Has one bad ride and another ride has an average night ends up getting 5 pts more than guy who was far better on the night!! Stupid scoring system. What was wrong with the system where every point counted ?

He's got two bikes there. Whats the point of having two if he's not going to use the other??

and this is why the GPs are not a true world championship. Its a commercial venture/circus. Score 4pts from 4 rides and you still have a chance of getting into the final! as Kurtz nearly did and Kubera actually did after scoring 6 pts. Would it be too much logistically to have a one off world final like the old days and keep the GPs as they are. Be an interesting line up if everyone had to qualify. I suppose finding dates for qualifiers would be the main problem.

Alfie Bowtell (G) - 0, 0, F = 0 Francis Gusts - 0, 0, 1 and yet Schroeck didn't bother giving Killeen an extra ride until heat 15!! but he gave McDiarmid six rides!! Last week at Redcar he should have replaced Hagon with Mitchell McDiarmid in heat 11. The man is a liability and yes and I agree the worst manager. He's the only manager I know who when he has a reserve on fire, he don't use them!!

No mention for the 15 year old Rushen?

I thought the same when Kubera scored 6 pts in the previous GP and walked away with 14pts to his name. Yes it's the system, but its a stupid system. Like tonight Kurtz had 4 from 4 rides yet nearly made the final. As for the wildcards, the last two GPs have showed that Morris, Castagna and co are just woke and have no idea. It's suppose to be a world championship, so why leave out riders of the calibre of Madsen and Dudek for Kai Huckenbeck and Kvěch!. Both Madsen and Dudek have scored more in one meeting a piece than the other pair in three GPs!!

Yes some of that camera work was absolutely appalling!!. Great racing from the young lads. 100% commitment. Louis corrected Tatum in the run off, when Tatum said Rushen had pulled out. You could see it was Rushen as he was wearing the red helmet, but Tatum was having no of it. He really needs to show a bit of humility does Tatum. i suppose it's the public schoolboy in him. He thinks he's never wrong. Unfortunately for him though, 9/10 He is 😂

And their lies the problem. When riders did work and ride, the crowds were far bigger than today. Riders in this day and age have got to have 2/3 bikes. The big van and full time mechanics. In the 70s/80s. Riders in the second division would mainly have one bike, The top riders would maybe have two. A mate would dope and oil and get paid a fish supper. How can you expect to be a full time rider. Riding in a front of less than a thousand people? If the second division does not go part time then its curtains in my opinion.

I have posted about Killeen in another post. He's not a shadow of the rider he was last year. The RS system is not working out for some of the lads and Luke is one of them. It must be effecting his confidence because his scores in the championship are suffering as well. Boughen and Joe Thompson are in the same boat. Take Hagon as an example Leicester took him out of the firing line and he's now slowly getting his conference back. If he were still at Leicester struggling to score would that be the case? Yes the RS system has had its successes. Tom Brennan, Dan Thompson and Anders Rowe. All three climbed out of the RS birth and got into the main body of the team. Flint has been a RS since 2021 and has not yet managed to progress into the main body. The same with Edwards and Jenkins, but these three boys have a lot more experience than young Killeen, Boughen. I think its just too much of a jump for some of the younger boys.

I agree 100% of course he deserves his victory. That is the way the system works and its winner takes all, but the comment that he was the "best rider on the day" is totally is a different debate.

How you can say Hagon was the best rider on the night. Yes he won the meeting, under a winner takes all system. Both Thompson and Cairns beat him in the heats. He lost to Harrison in the Semi. All three rider in the final outscored him in the actual meeting. Thompson only dropped on point with Cairns dropping just two. Hagon scrapped into the semi as the lowest qualifier! having to win his last ride to do so. The original line up for heat 19 had Dan Thompson in it. Hagon was quite fortunate on the front. For needing to beat Thompson to squeeze into the semi would have been a tall order. So congratulations to Hagon for taking his chances, but best rider on the night! No not in my opinion. Would you have said said Kubera was a better on the night than Lebedevs, Lambert and Lingren? in last weeks GP. I would suggest no. The system played into his hands. Should he have deserved a chance of getting in the main GP final on six pts? I would say no, but just like it was for Hagon it was the rules. Stupid but still the rules. Could you have imagined the uproar if he went on to win the final and was awarded 20 pts after only amassing six in the actual meeting.

Even though Lambert has had a bad start to the season. I think riding at reserve should get him back amongst pts.

I think Oxford are asking too much of young Killeen. Watching him in the U21 final on Sunday. He was a shadow of the rider he was last year. His scores suggest that he's really struggling in the top league and you can see in his riding his confidence is low. Just like Boughen. I think he needs taking out of the firing line. i have no idea who could replace him. but the RS system is not working for a lot of these young riders.. Leicester took Hagon out of the firing line because he was not scoring. Look at him on Sunday (Lower Standard) but he looked like he had a lot more confidence on the bike and went on and won the meeting. If he was still at Leicester scoring hardly any pts. Would he have won that meeting?

Even though he was a lap away from becoming British Champion!!

That is not a true reflection though. If you look at his 2025 seasons average. That tells a different story of his poor form.

He couldn't beat juniors on his own track yesterday 4 pts from five rides. Are the management that thick at Lynn? If they had a brain cell between them they would be looking to put Luke Harrison or someone of his capabilities. Boughen needs to be taken out of the firing line. Yes he looks fantastic when he gates. Bloody hell he beat Doyle round Ipswich last season, he looked the real deal. Shutting of going into the 1st bend will get him nowhere. Get him back in the third division. Let him get his confidence back. He might then come back next year a better rider.

I was thinking the same. He most likely had enough speed to pass the other in the four laps. Even if he only scored a point or two. He could have still gone on and made the final, Hagon proved. You don't have to win every race to be the champion! So fair play to Hagon. He done it the hard way. I'm like a lot of people who liked the old system, five rides. Ride against each other once. Whoever has the most pts wins. but the younger generation riders have grown with this system. So it normal for them. It would have been fascinating to look back at World Finals past. Riders who finish 6th would have still had a chance of becoming World Champion. I wonder if there would have been a few surprises. I reckon Jessup would have benefited from this system. How many times was he in contention, only for a E/F to stuff his night up.

Yes but he didn't pull any other races and there was a few races where there was more movement than what Thompson did in the final.

Its not just the West Midlands though Dean. Here In London and the South East. Wimbledon, Hackney, Eastbourne, Canterbury, Crayford, Rye House, Arena Essex all gone. Only Iwade left. The South West. Swindon, Reading, Weymouth, Exeter and Somerset all gone. Plymouth, Poole and Oxford are the only three clubs from that region who are still running. Then you have to travel all the way to Ipswich and Kings Lynn who fortunately are still running, but Peterborough and Mildenhall have gone. This has all happened since the 80s. Very sad, but this must prove, as much as we all love the sport that is not far from dying, certainly as a Professional Sport anyway.