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How comes you went back to Belle Vue ?

Surely even you worked out the old sub when you could used many times when you were only six points behind affected many more match results than the double points rule ...bar that as I said both are mickey mouse .

Yea the tac sub rule ..that gave 73% more false results that the double points rule .

Harris

I never put the offside rule forward at all ...i put forward things that were mickey mouse in f1 and cricket and it has little effect on the crowd and could put forward many more . As i already said if you were taking your friends in 1975 and there were guests and rr then they as much chance as asking the same questions or being put off as they have now . I would expect if they saw a great meeting with guests and rr i am sure they have more chance of coming back than watching a crap match with both sides with teams with there full 1-7 Speedway has always seem mickey mouse ...sadly the old fans look over that fact ...you can find as many mickey mouse rules when speedway was massive as you can now .

As I pointed out other sports have stupid rules as well ...if the perception was that newbies were put off by rules that make the sport mickey mouse then cricket f1 and a host of other sports would be having the same problems as speedway . Perception might have changed on cock fighting and Bear beating etc but I doubt if it's changed on stupid rules that make sports look mickey mouse If a newbie went to speedway in 1975 and you told that said person that there were guests rr etc then you got as much chance or that that person perceiving it as Mickey Mouse as you would if told a fan the same thing in 2015 .

Not really you said that speedway fans were not coming because of the silly rules as I said other sports have them and it does not stop them don't the fans used perception in those sports ? .. if a guest rule is stupid now then then is still was in the 1970's .. there is no reason why the perception would be any different

Silly rules are silly rules ...look at F1 the best drivers driving the best cars having a head over the slower ones ...I find that laughable . I find the cricket review system laughable ..it shows you out lbw but if at times you can be given not out and so and so on . As I said before we had guests and rr when the crowds were massive and the fans never worried about it so why would they be worried about it now . Did these fans never play other sports in the 70's was is not a alien concept then ? The bottom line is as the standard in British Speedway dropped after it fell behind Sweden and Poland and so have the crowds .

The question was not if new fans would ask about guests and and rr but would they come again because of it .other sports have silly rules but if the action is good they will come again .so not sure why speedway would not be the same .

yet again why newcomers be worried by guests etc . when i went to watch swindon town i took a group of people from work who really enjoyed the match and wanted to go again thou there were 7 loan players playing in the match . it just a myth that people are worried about guests and one person in a bib when they go to speedway for the first time

No doubt choc full with pkoc sychophants

I know you don't go to speedway anymore but trust me the crowd is anything but sophisticated ...listening to most of the speedway fans on here mainly the old ones to be fair I expect bringing back second halfs and singing 2 4 6 8 would be the sort of think they would like to bring back

To be fair I don't think he would get any .

So when the crowds were massive none of that stuff happened ?

Great post Sparky ..another one of Speedways myths that New fans are put off by Guests and the Rules etc ..as you say it would be a long time before they started to worry about that side of the sport .

Hook line and sinker

The one thing for sure is that you never learn hence why you repeat your mistakes time and again ,,yet again this topic out you come again with something that you said about million times that has no logic and is just plain stupid ...are give it about a week before you say the same again I doubt there is anyone happy with guests or double up riders but yet again you don't come with anything that is better or workable money wise .

The thread was good ..intill you made the stupid comment about play offs and tac sub that have zero to with the point the poster was making ...nothing constructive about repeating yourself all the time about a subject your wrong about .

Steve been called many things but this is the first time anyone has called him clever lol,,you must be new lol (awaits Steve's predictable reply )

Silly post ..crowds were packed when there was the more unfair ts rule and play offs in all sports are a massive success so yet again that has zero bearing on why fans don't go ....this is the problem we these can't of topics they just turn into a load of old speedway fans wanting the rules when they used to go. the ts v the tactical proves that perfectly

Your opinion charges from week to week as long as it suits KL . You done on the heat 10 rule and you done it on the draft rule . As for the happened in this match as BW as pointed out if track is unsafe it's unsafe what part of the match it is and what refunds you have to give out has no bearing.... riders being safe comes first and as this is what nearly all the fans were saying and moaning about when heat 10 was run in the cov v Poole match and you were one of them ..now a few weeks later you want heat 10 to be run no matter what .

That maybe so ..the trouble we have is that a lot moaning but no one has come up with a Alternative solution.

You only have to look at Grw views on the draft to see what kind of a fan he is ...if it suits King Lynn i'ts the great but the moment it's against them it's unfair . nothing worst than a speedway fan who pretends that he cares about the sport but really only cares if his club wins .

Yet again another moan about guests but So what do suggest instead ?

I Think it's more ridiculous to he would under preform to stop himself himself money at the time ...at the time of the match Swindon chances of making the play were pretty slim. it not intiil 2 away wins this when they were underdogs in both matches that has gave them a chance of making them . I said people put find to much stock into thinking people care about there clubs and where they come in the league .