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Not sure but in the old day did teams have choice of gates etc when they were behind ?

Many because the internet and Speedway forums were not around in those days .

To pay the bills you have at least even that does mean you have get rid all the top riders and high earners a lot of them paid for themselves ...not sure if you noticed but a lot of pl teams who no star riders and not being able to pay bills or break even . Never understood why by getting rid of top riders why speedway is going to start paying for itself and get the crowds back .

I love darts and lot of my friends do the same as cricket but none of us play it . Maybe they should put fishing on at prime time as loads of people fish .Speedway used to be massive but doubt most of crowds were speedway riders .

? I thought everyone understood the new rule was brought it because teams could not paid the top riders the extra money for the extra rides . So you wasted a lot of time with your pointless rant .

No it's not. there is no sport where team can use a sub when the other can't when just because they are losing ...it similar to nothing . Maybe in cricket the same player should allowed to bat twice just because they are getting beat ...that is just as much mickey mouse

Surely the tightening up or matches or changing the team that wins is the problem people have with both rules .

Untrue as under the double points rule Gundersen would not allowed to be put in heat 8 .only under the old rules were World Champions etc allowed to come out and take on number 7's

Correct it's not hard really . the stats have been quite clear that the old tac changed the overall result of match far more that the new rule ever has. you don't have to very clever to work that out .

Or perhaps it was because under the new rules you can't change your Number 7 with your No 1 . The bottom line both rules were stupid and unfair .

Correct it's not ...when you used the old tac rule one side were allowed to used there best riders more than the other side ..was that fair no .

So as has been said if had been about silly tac subs who would have stopped going years ago . if fans don't go because of double points rule but went when the tac sub was around then they are worth worrying about as there views are hypocritical . What it boils down to all the time is old speedway fans just wanting the rules to be the same when they went .

Spot on ...he admitted that old rule was stupid but carried on going ...that proves that it was not the rules . There has always stupid rules in speedway nothing has changed in that respect .

Not seen one fan said everything is Hunky Dory or there nothing to worry about so your telling lies to start off with . what has been said if going moan about rules at least come with something that is workable bar going back to the old days so a few over 70 years come back or a brain dead idea to rid the uk of the remaining riders that the fans pay money to see .There are clubs in the pl who no star riders in there side who find themselves in big trouble due to small crowds .. Yea like Hans ,AJ ,Holder ,Freddie etc really smashing it up ...what myths people put up .Of course in the old days you never had the likes of Hans Nielsen winning easy

I don't like the double tr rule ..when did I say I did ?

But you must have gone to crap stadium in the first like everyone else ...so using your logic there should be no speedway fans because they never go again .

How comes you went back to Belle Vue ?

Surely even you worked out the old sub when you could used many times when you were only six points behind affected many more match results than the double points rule ...bar that as I said both are mickey mouse .

Yea the tac sub rule ..that gave 73% more false results that the double points rule .

Harris

I never put the offside rule forward at all ...i put forward things that were mickey mouse in f1 and cricket and it has little effect on the crowd and could put forward many more . As i already said if you were taking your friends in 1975 and there were guests and rr then they as much chance as asking the same questions or being put off as they have now . I would expect if they saw a great meeting with guests and rr i am sure they have more chance of coming back than watching a crap match with both sides with teams with there full 1-7 Speedway has always seem mickey mouse ...sadly the old fans look over that fact ...you can find as many mickey mouse rules when speedway was massive as you can now .

As I pointed out other sports have stupid rules as well ...if the perception was that newbies were put off by rules that make the sport mickey mouse then cricket f1 and a host of other sports would be having the same problems as speedway . Perception might have changed on cock fighting and Bear beating etc but I doubt if it's changed on stupid rules that make sports look mickey mouse If a newbie went to speedway in 1975 and you told that said person that there were guests rr etc then you got as much chance or that that person perceiving it as Mickey Mouse as you would if told a fan the same thing in 2015 .

Not really you said that speedway fans were not coming because of the silly rules as I said other sports have them and it does not stop them don't the fans used perception in those sports ? .. if a guest rule is stupid now then then is still was in the 1970's .. there is no reason why the perception would be any different

Silly rules are silly rules ...look at F1 the best drivers driving the best cars having a head over the slower ones ...I find that laughable . I find the cricket review system laughable ..it shows you out lbw but if at times you can be given not out and so and so on . As I said before we had guests and rr when the crowds were massive and the fans never worried about it so why would they be worried about it now . Did these fans never play other sports in the 70's was is not a alien concept then ? The bottom line is as the standard in British Speedway dropped after it fell behind Sweden and Poland and so have the crowds .

The question was not if new fans would ask about guests and and rr but would they come again because of it .other sports have silly rules but if the action is good they will come again .so not sure why speedway would not be the same .