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There is video on you tube of a Weymouth 1980s National League match. Watch it and then tell me it is a better standard than today's PL. It is not even the standard of the current NL. Incidentally the 70s and 80s had only two world champions who started in the New National/ National league. The last 12 years have had 4 riders who started their careers in the current second tier, it really doesnt indicate anything but others have cited it as a strength of the old second tier when in truth the current second tier has produced twice the amount of world champions

It would be both in this case. The median being the middle number of am ascending sequence of numbers if there are an odd amount or the mean average of the middle two values in the ascending sequence if there are an even amount. Either way I agree, you were trying be a smart arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone else with no grasp of averages then. In your ideal world where would the lower order teams get the riders from? In an ideal world the limit would be 42.5 unless the number of teams in the league changed. The average Average is always around 42 so with a limit of 42.5 all the current riders could be accommodated somewhere. Some riders retire and new ones come along and the league can grow and prosper With a lower limit say 39. In a 10 team league that is the equivalent of having to shed 30 points average wise. It is like getting riod of 4 10 point plus men and replacing them with 3 pointer, the strategy that has brought us to the weak league we have today Any higher than 42.5 and there will be a lack of riders for the weak teams to strengthen Obviously the current system changes the figures somewhat but the premise is still the same

[quote name="grachan" post="2642971" timestamp="1436281411 I have a programme somewhere from 1976 that showed the averages of the sides at the start of the season. The highest was around 55 and the lowest about 39. Nobody gave it much thougt then. What other methods could there be to ensure even balanced teams? And with an average of just under 10 bonus points a match, just under 5 per team, your 55 point team is 50 and your 39 point team is 34 using the modern way of not including bonus points leaving a mean team average around 42, all exactly as it would work today.

The main reason was that Eric Boothroyd was offered Odsal on an initial rent free basis which coupled with the high rent, and as you say Remedial work that needed doing at the Shay pretty much made the decision for him. Of course only a few weeks into their tenure there was the Carter tragedy, Odsal wasn't the most atmospheric venue with only a couple of thousand in there and to top it all, save for about 3 weeks in July the place was ffing freezing!!!!!!!

No, that is just some nonsense you made up. The statement was quite clear. If a club severely doubts a match will go ahead (current state of track combined with forecast) then a call off more than 48 hours in advance means the OB hasn,t been mobilized and will incur SKY in no cost, it will also give them time to possibly re locate to another match. With less than 48 hours everything has started to swing into place re covering that match, costs incurred etc and they would like to do everything possible to get the meeting on. It is a perfectly reasonable request

I suspect we will only have to wait just over 3 months for that one

National Speedway Stadium is, in essence just a name. It is the new home of Belle Vue. The funding is partially from Manchester City Council to be paid back over a number of years and it is in keeping with the overall re development of East Manchester in general and this area in particular, as a "Sport City". Like Shawn says if you expressed any doubts about this ever being built then you wanted it to fail and should now be hanging your head in shame

Where do you suggest the new home of Belle Vue should be built then. London maybe but it seems a tad far for Aces supporters to travel every week. Birminghams is fairly central but again quite a way to travel and would Manchester City Council be as keen to help fund a stadium 100 miles away. No on reflection I think a venue in Manchester is the best place to build a track for the Belle Vue Aces of Manchester

What he means John, in plain English just so you can understand is Why the fkuc do you insist on acting like a pr!ck on each and every post

Loved him in cracker

He was throwing the apples because he had some upsetting news a few years earlier, the school goldfish died apparently, he is not sure if he threw 1 apple or a few dozen, he often loses count on amounts between those parameters

Probably in the throes of applying as well

Sounds like Darcy Ward back in Aussie during the close season

Spot on, and it is that record that places Nicki as a legend of the sport. Whether people like him or not is a matter of opinion, that he is one of the greats is not, 3 world titles is testament to his status as a legend of the sport

Spot on Vince, virtually mirrors a post I made on another thread back in March Up to and including the JAP engine a speedway bike revved at possibly half the revs of a modern engine. The JAP, in particular was good at generating straight line speed but it didn't want to go round corners, the lack of revs gave it a tendency to want to drag you out near the fence, especially on the deeper tracks of the day. It had to be laid very low to get round bends The advent of the 4 valvers gave riders massively more rpm (not necessarily mph) and were a totally different beast to ride and in the hands of inexperienced riders could cause more accidents. Those extra revs though make the bike much easier (and therefore safer) to ride. As times have gone on new short stroke motors with super lightweight flywheels mean the bikes have a very limited power band, it will only work right at the top of its revs and it takes very little in the way of dirt on the track to kill the motor and therefore point the rider the wrong way.

I suspect he is merely throwing Sidneys well used argument back at him. Did you ever see Ashby ride Norman

Indeed. You are no mug if you win two world titles but when the finals are on your own track it does give a head start. That is not to tarnish Fred,s wins in any way shape or form.

Yes me, he was in the list I compiled earlier.

No I can't agree with you on that one Sid. In any list of the greats of the sport nearly all the multi world champs would be in. Moore Craven, Fundin, Briggs Mauger, Olsen, Rickardsson Gundersen Nielsen Pedersen Crump and Hancock. It would be hard to overlook the claims of Young and Penhall but as Bruce wasn't around that long then maybe not. Peter Collins, although only one title qualifies for my list. Then you can perm any from the likes of Michanek, Gollob, Jonsson, Ermolenko etc Below that you are probably talking top class but maybe not true greats of the sport. Kelly and Shawn Moran, Phil Crump etc Now in a list of peoples favourite riders you may be right in that Nicki wouldn't figure in a lot of top 20s

Nothing changes

Trevor Geer and Paul Gachet I would say

Very much so. The postponement was nothing to do with the track. It was caused by weak officials allowing the riders to get their own way because they objected to the green light starts. Just simply watch it again, the track was producing some good racing before the call off

Looks like we are in a minority but I agree. It was a pretty good match I thought. Not often a Sky match holds my attention but that one did

Really, they did in Warsaw