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Horses for courses. We all see things differently.

Your always wrong Mr star. Always. Even your own supporters call you out. I guess we'll just have to humour you.

I did. Whether it's an example or not is immaterial when you know how much it actually costs to sit down at BV. Stop picking numbers out of the air to suit your argument. It doesn't validate it when it's factually incorrect.

It isn't £25 to sit down.

I'll make this simple for you so can understand it. If you behave like a child then I will treat you like one. Each block of the grandstand holds 300. Across the whole stand 3 were full. That equals 900. 300 x 3. The back straight holds around 1000, it was pretty much full. I know this because I was stood in it. Let's say 600 just to be really safe. The pc suite, which you can't see on the TV, had about 200 in. I know this because I know someone who was dining in it. He told me all about it. To summise. 900+600+200 equals 1700. Basic arithmetic. I know your a troll, so does the whole forum, but you still need calling out for it regardless. Cheers.

Conveniently forgot. We have been discussing it over the last 2 pages. Lol As for the attendance, we had more than you did on the same race night.

Forgot about Ipswich. It's a big old place is foxhall.

Average attendances is only 1 indicator though and is driven entirely by the size of stadia, which makes it unfair. The euro index is the best measure, it looks at generated revenues, the clubs individual wealth, and many other things. That's a true measure of a clubs size. If Man City had a stadium that held 70 plus k they would fill. The stadium will be getting another expansion very soon taking it over the 63k barrier. Both Manchester clubs are monsters and tapping into that market place will be very challenging for BV.

I tell a lie, city have actually dropped to 6 in the latest ranking. However they are now the top pl club. Biggest club in the prem. Simple as that.

Man City are now 4th on the euro index. Totally different debate but in the UK they are 2nd only behind utd. They sell out every game, some don't turn up but that's down to the tourist element in the fan base which is a by product of the clubs rapid growth and success.

What people need to remember is that the NSS holds around 4.5k. No club in the UK averages even half that amount so the place will always look a bit empty. It's basic common sense. Just because you see empty seats doesn't automatically mean it's a poor crowd. It's the biggest stadium in the UK.

It's a bit of a pointless debate. BV on a Friday would have the highest crowds in the sport, and its as simple as that. (in the UK)

And BV have 2 within 1 mile. Arguably the 2 biggest clubs in the UK. Pooles dynamic is totally different and I would argue its much easier for you to get a a steady fan base, especially when you've had the same race night for donkeys years. BV have suffered massive trauma moving to a Monday. We've lost about 600 off our regular crowds.

They are gimmes. Take the hit and fill the place. A full stadium on a TV is a big sell.

Poole has a catchment. There is no other major sport in the town. Manchester is bigger but its dominated by other sports so all it means is there are more people who don't want to go to the speedway. Tapping into that market share is hard. Their money is already spent. Like I said earlier, speedway just doesn't have the pull. That said, on a Friday we were getting over 2k regular and that is amongst the highest in the league. The fixed race night has hurt us.

All TV meetings should be £10. The general pricing structure is okay imo, there are cheaper standing areas which naturally fill before the grandstand. The prices are pretty competitive

Correct. It was also on TV. 1700 under those types of circumstances is a very decent turnout.

Local advertisement is irrelevant in the digital age. Social media is massive and the club are all over that. Speedway just doesn't have a market place and even less so on a Wednesday. Had that meeting been a Friday and not on the TV we'd have broke 2k easily and that is far from a shabby crowd. Dont be fooled by the stadium its massive and can look empty when there is a crowd much the same as many other tracks.

It's not dismal. It's a big stadium. I'd say 800 were in the grandstand and another 700 on the terracing. Pc suite is always full so another 200 there. That's about 1700. It's not dismal by any stretch on a race night that doesn't suit us.

Bewley is a huge loss to BV. I'm just glad the club got an extra meeting which will be packed to the rafters. That's what counts.

Not necessarily making reference to his immediate impact, more the tenacity of his riding, gating etc.

I was agreeing with you essentially. Although I don't think we see the same end game.

It doesn't but I'm not sure that is the only issue. Wolves would need to be really slick to get the most of the bikes. Its always been well prepared Monmore, you can certainly vouch for that, and still is. However the bikes don't like it. Its got such tight entrances to the turns, to scrub off all that speed and then run into some dirt is what causes the problem. It kills the back wheel and then they react like a bucking bronco. These bikes need to be turning over all the time, taps always open. Even some smaller tracks have a more natural curvature, like Somerset and Scunny, where you can keep the bike winding and still have some room to correct a reaction or rider mistake. Rye. Arena. Training tracks. That's all they are good for. I hope wolves doesn't go the same way. Apologies for saying Monmore was irrelevant BTW, thats not what I meant.

It won't and it shouldn't either. To carry the tracks in the UK you are recreating the sport of speedway now, because nowhere else will change the equipment. Bigger tracks carry these bikes better so the continent is absolutely fine. It would make it an amateur sport here and that would be curtains.

The track is the same as its always been Steve. Its the bikes that have changed and the consequences are that it's now much harder to ride and that has impacted the quality of racing. The bikes will continue to evolve and those tracks which can carry these bikes essentially safeguard themselves against this evolution. You'd still get quality racing on the NSS if you were riding a 70s jap, for example, like you would at Monmore, but put a modern machine at the green and it is a problem. It's a real 50/50 argument, imo the sport will always keep developing so it's the tracks that need to change. Not the bikes. Wolves was a good track, it's just irrelevant in today's speedway. Imo.