Gavan,
You do talk some sense but honestly, why o why do you ALWAYS respond to Shovlar and his scrooges, you know they post to get reactions from you and every time you rise too it. Do us all a favour and put them on ignore, you never know, you might enjoy spending time on the site instead of replying to the 'trolls' as you say.
With Steve and his posts, he does speak sense most of Time but he also knows how to make people bite!